Our body, once we love our body as much as our body loves us, it's like
we do our body the worst disservice.
It's constantly working.
I believe our mind and our body work together to serve
our higher purpose, right?
But right now, the mind has kind of taken control of the gig.
Today, we are speaking with DeBorah Bellony.
She is the founder of WHO I Am Communications, she's the author of
two books and she's working on a third.
DeBorah, could you please introduce yourself?
And let people know just a little more about you, please.
Okay.
My name is DeBorah Bellony, I was born in the US to Caribbean parents.
My, my mother's Mantega, my father's from Dominica.
I'm the youngest of four siblings and the only girl.
And I, I'm an author, astrologer, conscious co-creation coach, and
I have a very unique and winding road to the path that took me to
this place where I'm at today.
Um, so before I even get started, I just wanna start with two quotes to
express how unique that path was.
The first quote would be from Mark Twain who says, uh, The two most important days
of your life is the day you were born and the day you found out why you were born.
And, um, as astrologer, I really, I feel that's so important.
Um, we're all, we are all, we all, we, we don't realize how
much we are one with nature.
You know, we look at plants, you plant a seed in the, in the
ground, it grows and so forth.
And we're all, we're all made of the same stuff that, of stars.
So if we're made of stars, that means we're seeded to do something.
And I think, to give you an analogy, people understand if someone like,
who's a musician or an athlete, they could go as far as maybe
playing elementary or high school.
Some people go as far as playing in college.
Other people, um, play music regionally and then you have some people who go
nationally and then internationally.
Um, we kind of understand that, that there's that, um,
progress or that potential.
But there's also that same seed for people who are star seeded to
do stuff that are not as common, like spiritual growth, you know?
And, uh, I think for those people, life is a little harder because
it's not, um, consensus reality in terms of what, what it is.
Or they may not even know, they might be judging themselves from
what other people are doing.
And they're not seeded to do this different thing.
And the moment you realize why you are here, it's just like, oh my gosh.
Now I understand why I am a, I'm a swan and not a duck, you know?
So that's the first quote, and it's leading up, the second quote is, um, I
love this quote, it's called, While we're playing checkers, God is playing chess.
And basically what that means is that, okay, if you look at the, the chess
board, it's the same board whether you're playing checkers or chess.
But you can look at checkers as being like a lower mind, you
just hopping over the other one.
This is what I want, this is how I want things to go, as the lower mind.
Whereas when you are on the chess board, from the higher vision, where
our guides, and God kind of knows why we're here, we kind of forgot.
Um, you start off as a pawn, but guess what?
You could evolve to become a knight, or a king, or what have you, but the
path is long and we go on that path.
And I think that's what happened to me.
I wanted, I started off, I played on a basketball scholarship when
I graduated from undergrad from, um, Borner Park High School.
I went, um, played in North Carolina Central.
Then I wanted to, um, to be, uh, a publisher.
I went to NYU to learn book and magazine publishing and that's what I was gonna do.
And then after that I went to graduate school to learn,
um, nonprofit administration.
And then I thought that was what I was gonna do, work for Georgia Black
United Fund and different nonprofits.
And I got disheartened from that.
It's like, and then I went, uh, left all of that, I studied acupuncture in Sri
Lanka and um, homeopathy and I loved that.
But it was, just like the needles, there was something more.
So I was again, on another search.
Then I ended up working at the University of Creation Spirituality in Oakland.
And then I ended up working at the Astrological Institute
in Scottsdale, Arizona.
And it's not that all of these things were failures, but
they were steps along the way.
I remember hearing from one quote that said, What if all of the life's challenges
is not because you're doing anything wrong, but it's that you're being prepared
to be initiated to another level that, you know, that transcends a lot of things.
When you look at someone like Pele or you look at someone like Sting,
it doesn't matter what religion you are, what race you are, you,
you are my Pele in one generation.
I have a young, my, my, um, best friend's, um, uncle, he loves Pele because he has,
uh, evolved in his sport to that level.
And I think, um, when we understand what we came here to do spiritually,
which I had to find out in 2012.
Um, and we'll talk more about that, but I'll give you a chance to, uh,
to ask me some questions on that.
DeBorah, you are a very deep person after looking through and researching you.
You are very active in many, uh, things to advocate for people.
One of the things that you talk about is conscious co-creation.
I'm really interested in that, and I am really interested
in what you mean by that.
Could you explain to us what that means?
Yes.
So basically we are always co-creating with the Creator of all there is.
Like when we say we eat a meal, do we go through and digest every bit of it?
Or when a, a woman has a baby, they're creating a child,
but they're co-creating it.
It's like the face, the fashion, all of that.
So, we're always co-creating with the Creator.
So our life, the way it is, whether we love it or whether we don't love it,
it's what we've been co-creating with our thoughts, our ideas, and so forth.
The things that we say that we're not aware of, we're
co-creating it every moment.
It doesn't just stop with the baby or the food, it starts with
your thoughts and your emotions.
So to co-create consciously means that you understand the power of the word I am.
Whatever comes after I am is a powerful word of causation.
So to consciously co-create, there are certain laws that are around that help us
to understand that we are co-creating with the Creator what there is of our reality.
And I think if people understood that, I mean, most people, we don't believe that.
It's just, just words.
Because we've had so much heartbreaks in our lives.
I talk about that in, um, my book.
The four, um, isms that, because our heart is like electromagnetic
energy, so many, so much powerful, more than the mind, right?
But we block that power when we have these heartbreaks.
And the three places in life I feel that we've all had some heartbreaking
away from each direction in every way is the isms that I focus on, which
is, uh, racism, sexism, and ageism.
You know, those are the like generational age discrimination,
um, gender wise, and race.
Those are the, those are the three that I think because it's
so elusive in our society, these things that, that they affect us on.
It doesn't matter how, or from who, or what direction, we're
all affected by these things.
And, um, because of that, we lose a lot of our power access to that, to the heart.
So part of my journey that started in 2012 when I started, like I was saying
before the breakup, that I did all these different things in my life and, um,
wasn't until 2012 when I really found out what I was really star seeded to do.
And I mean, I ran from, when I was working, when I was living in Arizona,
working at the Astrological Institute, I remember, um, that we used to have to do,
it was the first accredited program for astrology and psychology in the world.
I remember there was people like at Dateline 2020 saying, How can we
take government money for astrology?
That's not even a credible field and all of that.
And I remember, and you know, in 1986 it was illegal.
It was illegal to even practice it.
So now we have this accredited program.
I ended up there serendipitously through my travels, they needed a
development officer and my graduate degree was, uh, nonprofit administration.
So I ended up, um, at the time when I was living in Arizona, um,
I was at, I was working at Changing Hand bookstore and someone came
in and said, You know, there's a creditor program for astrologists.
So I ended up going and serendipitously they needed some of my skills.
So I ended up being able to take classes and, and I learned a lot about it.
But, um, almost, I lost my train of thought what I was,
I was saying, but um, yeah.
So I found out that, that who, when we used to do these vocational,
um, events and, you know, to get students to become astrologers, they
used to laugh us out the building.
You know, when they have these fairs for students to come to.
Um, so in my, in the back of my mind, who wants to be in a, a field
that is looked down upon, right?
So I got into other things, you know, I went to the writing and everything.
But it's really what I was star seeded to do.
It's just that it wasn't popular, you know what I mean?
And so twenty years later I come back full circle.
That was like in 2002, I think, when I worked there.
And then I ended up going all, all these other things.
But the universe put me in the right place when I was in Mexico and it took me six
cities to get there, it was a long path.
And I talk about it in my blog.
But I thought I was going there to teach English as a second
language, ended up house sitting.
And that's when in 2012, a lot of people don't realize, you know, how
the Mayan prophecies they talked about the end of the world in 20, 2012.
That's what people, that was the sense of, sense of, you know,
sense it, what's that word?
Like sensationalism about what happened.
But if people really look closely at 2012, a lot of people
got their mission in 2012.
It shifted direction in 2012, and it had to do with Neptune going into Pisces.
A lot of people at that time, however, what people also don't
realize, the Mayan calendar didn't say it was the end of the world.
It was end of an era.
And what also happened in 2012 is that there was a thing that
happens every 150 years, which is called the Venus occultation.
Where the, the, the, Venus goes across the face of the sun.
That happens in pairs, and it happens like every a hundred and something years.
Now Venus also has a eight year cycle.
So when you take 2012 and you add eight, what does that give you?
What year does that give you?
2020? Is that, is that correct?
What does, what does that tell you about what happened in 2020?
The world shut down.
So, so it's like nothing happens, like people think, oh, that was nothing.
'Cause they didn't see anything happen at that moment.
But everything is a progression.
We're talking about the end of a major cycle.
Not the end of the world, just the end of a major cycle.
So if people were reading the signs in 2012 was a very crucial
time that wasn't out yet.
Eight years later, when Venus completed its eight year cycle, it came in 2012.
You know, so I think we're so, we're so used to the quick thing that happened
that we think like, oh, nothing's happened because it didn't happened yesterday,
like everybody said it would, you know?
So, so there's that.
And, and in 2012 is when I started to get these downloads.
I call it the, um, the reluctant astrologer journey to revealing
the mega, the, um, Maggi mysteries.
So there's a system called the Destiny Cards, which was preserved
in the regular playing cards, I've been studying it for many years.
But it wasn't until 2012 when I started to get all these other downloads.
How it's connected to math and how it's connected to so many different things.
And it's been a thirteen year journey just getting used to all
the things about what the system really means, it's just amazing.
And I was a reluctant astrologer in that because it was so much of my time,
so much of my sacrifices I had to do.
Um, at the time I wasn't working like I had to live what I call
the Buckminster Fuller's life.
Are you familiar with Buckminster Fuller?
I am not.
Buckminster Fuller was, is a, an architect.
He was an architect that was known for making the geodesic dome that you see in
Oh, okay.
Yep.
Yeah.
And he, he's been, he's been known to have some very great quotes.
Like, You don't change things by, um, looking at where they're at.
You make a better model and make the other model obsolete.
I know you've probably heard of that quote.
He's, um, known for that, you know, Humanity Is In It's 11th Hour, you know?
But a lot of what people don't know about, about Mr. Fuller is that he, he lived a
life where he was ready to commit suicide.
He was, um, he, he got kicked out of Harvard, um, you know, he just
felt his life was a, a failure.
At one time, he was just like, I'm just gonna take my life.
But the universe was like, no, we got work for you.
And he's like, Well, if you're gonna make it happen, it's just gonna have to happen.
So he lived a life, what I think was so amazing is that it's
more, I could appreciate more.
'Cause he had, he had a wife and children.
But he's like, the money comes, it's gonna happen.
If it doesn't come, it doesn't happen.
And that's how he lived his life.
If it wasn't, the money didn't show up, it showed up when it needed to show up.
So that's what I had to do back in 2012, I had to live this
life of just complete surrender.
And I remember I have a friend that kind of lived like that.
She's a famous actor who just recently passed, um, Barbara O. And I'm like, Oh,
I can never live like, I need to know where my money's coming from, I got to.
And little did I know while I was playing checkers, universe was
playing chess, lining me up to where I needed to be, to get what I needed
to get, to do what I need to do.
And, and that's life, you know?
So, um, I just wanted to share that.
Yeah.
It, it's strong and powerful.
You know, when we line up the stars, if you will, we, we just happen.
And, and it's, I, I'm Christian and I have been watching for these certain signs in
the stars for as long as I can remember because these signs tell us things and I,
I really believe wholeheartedly in that.
I, I'm not a master in the craft at all, but I do understand there
are signs and I, I do understand what signs we're looking for.
Can I spot those?
Not really.
And look at the three wise men.
Exactly.
So, you know?
Yeah.
The three, the three wise men learned.
Yeah.
It, it's all by inspiration anyway.
And you know, I think it, it's really going into the next subject that
I wanted to speak with you about.
You speak of the veil of illusion.
You know, I, I think, in our world today, we're full of disillusion.
And I, I really think that we're veiled with illusion, if you will.
We're covered with it.
So, did I misunderstand what you mean by that?
Or what are you talking about when you speak of the veil of illusion?
Okay, so
there, how do I, how would I say that?
There's so much that I've learned on my path, you know?
Um, I'll use an example of my own mother.
My mother, she was a member of the Rosicrucian Society.
I knew it when I was growing up, but I was on my own path.
And I thought all these people, they dunno anything.
Blah, blah, blah.
But once she passed away and I happened to see her books, not only
was she a Rosicrucian, she was at the highest degree of Rosicrucian.
She was at the 12th level.
When I saw that and when I looked at the stuff that she had, I, my mouth dropped.
'Cause I was like, here, I thought my mom was just, you know, Catholic, Seventh
Day Adventist, she's doing this and that.
And then little did I know she was, uh, privy to so much information.
And I started to, that was the biggest gift she gave me.
Because I like to use this analogy, I use this a lot.
I talk about, there's two types of being and there's two states of being, okay?
The two types of being are, the two states of being I should start with are, asleep.
When you're asleep, you don't hear nothing.
And the other state of being is being awake, right?
Um, if you're asleep and someone is talking to you about financial
problems or whatever, whatever the thing is, you are not hearing anything.
It's going through one ear and out 'cause you're asleep.
Now we all have states of asleep and awake and the other two states of
being are initiated and uninitiated.
And we, we all are awake and initiated in certain areas of our
life and asleep and uninitiated in other areas of our life, right?
And interestingly enough, the two play off of each other.
Sometimes it takes the ones who are asleep to initiate the ones who
are woke and, um, and vice versa.
So now I'll give you an example of my mother.
When my mom passed, uh, I realized she didn't have, not one cent.
I knew the importance of like leaving a financial legacy, but when I had
to go through my mom's stuff when she passed and five times I saw
life insurance policies that she let lapse, I was like, and I had to come
to the realization she had nothing.
And, um, that, uh, woke me to the importance of leaving a financial legacy.
However, I'm now going through the initiation, through my
star seeded way of doing it.
Not the way that society says make money this way, that way, that way.
I'm now going through the initiation of knowing how important it is
to leave a financial legacy.
And my path is quite interesting, is quite telling.
But just like Buckman Fuller, when he was ready to give it up, he just trusted the
process and it landed him to be one of the most popular and beloved people in
the nonprofit world, architectural world.
So, um, I don't know if I answered your question, so I hope I did.
but that's,
Well regardless, DeBorah, that was on my list.
You know, that very thing about your mother and the legacy building, you
know, it's really important for people to understand that some things trigger
us to understand why we're here.
And sometimes, you know, for instance, myself, I, I feel like I'm walking this
lonely road, but there's so many with me.
And, and it's interesting that it, it took disaster in my life
to spark that road of discovery.
Because I was stupid, I was just lost, and I was stumbling around
in life just hoping for the best to come my way instead of initiating it.
And, you know, baby stepping what I want into existence.
Because sometimes we start late in life and then, then we discover, Oh, I wish
I could have started this way back here.
But is that going to stop us from that calling?
And I can tell that you have this calling and a gift.
So another thing that you talk about is Will Allen and Karen
Parker and not ever giving up.
I think that falls right into line with what we are talking about here, is it not?
Yes, yes.
They had The Growing Power.
And I mean, it was, it was so, I mean, it's amazing how that
thing lasted for twenty years.
But, um, dysfunction and all of that, it's still, it was something I learned
about not giving up that's so important because, um, you could be half an hour,
a half a minute away from a miracle if you just stay consistent to the goal.
And, um, again, to like the chess and the checkers, you start off as a pawn, right?
But with time you can learn how to get to the other side of that board.
It's almost as if to say, when you look at the relationship with God and
man, God comes down in man, man in man.
So that man could rise up to become God.
So God becomes man, so man could become God.
This is the evolution.
Just like you see water going down and up, and this is the evolution
that we're all star seeded to do.
This is something, and now some people, they may not go all the way, like I
said, to the international level of, of sportsmanship or musician where you
could just be known by your first name, Sting, Prince, and if everybody does,
it doesn't matter what nationality they are, that's how we need to grow.
No one doubts that a baby will one time walk and grow
and have children of his own.
We know that that's its seeded potential.
But guess what?
If we're only using 10% of our brain, what kind of potential do we have to evolve to
and what potential have we fallen from?
So it's like there's so much more to evolve to, but
there's the consensus reality.
And to be initiated means that there's gonna be a lot of people who are asleep
that are gonna be knocking you all upside your head so that you could be
initiated, to awaken that part of you.
And they'll go through the same thing, and we're all going
through it in cycles and cycles.
One of the, I'm just gonna read one of my famous quotes from
George Washington Carver, and I see how important it is in life.
He says, How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
compassionate, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving,
tolerant of the weak and strong.
Because someday in your life you will have been all of these things, okay?
We would've been all of these things.
And so when I look at people at whatever stage they're in, it's
not for me to worry because I understand, I believe in past life.
And I believe the true Christians were the Essenes, they believed in reincarnation
in their doctrine.
So, um, even in the, in the more ancient form of, of, uh,
of Christianity, there was this understanding of, of reincarnation.
I mean, we don't get it in one life.
We don't learn all what we learn in one grade, we go to 10th,
12th, college, on and on and on.
And so when we understand that, we understand there's two forces in life.
There's forces going down and going back up.
There's this constant evolution of cycles of growth.
And, uh, once we understand that, we understand where
we're at in that, that pattern.
We don't knock anybody else, whether it be apparent.
It's all needed in order for us to be exactly where we're at any given time.
Yeah, I like that a lot.
You know, the, the cycles like that, those dark times, when we're going
down, it really lightens us, it lightens our load because it crushes us.
And it really makes us able to get back up without all of the debris on us.
And it, it, it's funny how things do line up in this universe.
The world is part of this great big energy and there's so,
so much hatred in our world.
And, and I'm, I, I really look at that a lot in my life and I, I, I have went
through those cycles of hatred myself and I wonder why do we have to hate
before we can figure out what love is?
Have you got any answers so far?
Uh, I've gotten a lot of answers and, uh, uh, the meaning is
really not clear yet to me.
But I, I do understand it's more about humanity and all of us as a
completeness and a wholeness, but I don't see how it all comes back
together to that greatness yet.
I, I know it's going to.
So what I talk about in my book, I use the analogy, I use
this analogy in my book, okay?
So imagine you have two people, they just married and they're in love.
They got a beach resort.
They're looking outside on their patio and they're looking at the
night sky and they see a beautiful falling star go down like that.
They're like, Wow, that's so amazing.
Amazing to them, but if you happen to be life on that planet and you are
on that planet, it's hell and mayhem.
Because that's a whole end of a civilization of that star dying, right?
So what it is, is you have to, we have to raise our perspective
of what, of how we see things.
You know, I have a quote I say, When we focus on the they, we're all gonna pay.
Because it's all God.
And that's the title of my third book, It's All God.
And it's the generator, operator, destroyer, these are the three modes
of, of creation, going through creation.
It's the same way, like if you have a phone, um, and the battery runs out,
you have to put it on dark, plug it in, and let it recharge so that it
could come back another day, you know?
Um, when it's light, one place is dark in another place.
And this polarity is something that these people in these so called
societies and everything understand.
They understand that polarity is how everything stays in existence.
You know, you need night and you need day, you know?
And so once you understand that, that's part of a bigger cycle.
The crap that we eat, it goes back in compost and it comes
back and it feeds us one day.
If we understand life as a journey of that sort, we understand
that there's constant movement.
And even though now we're dark, another day, you know, it's gonna rise, you know?
So we just, I think astrology helps with that because we understand
where we're at in our personal evolution when we understand it.
But see, I have a way that I look at astrology and I think this is important.
'Cause now that astrology's becoming more popular,
I think it had a bad rap before.
And if other people are practicing in a way, oh, this means you're
gonna, doomsday this, that.
It's like people wanna run from astrology, they don't wanna hear bad news.
But the way, I, I, I talk about two analogies, how I look at astrology.
I look at it like you have a farmer, right?
They know what seed to plant, they know what seed is, they know what time is the
best to plant it, and they know what, how much time it takes to plant the seed.
But that farmer is useless if she doesn't till the soil, plant the seed,
water it, nurture it, take care of it.
You see, it's just that information is not gonna help
that person if they don't use it.
It's not what Astrology's going to use, well, how you're using it.
And then you have the example of a doctor, you know?
She's a surgeon, a surgeon goes into the operation room, what does she wear?
Does she wear a police outfit?
No, she doesn't put on a police outfit, she puts on scrubs because
that's the best outfit to do that job that she was star seeded to do.
Does the scrubs, does the scrubs make her a doctor or does a doctor make the scrubs?
You see?
So once we understand that, we understand that, to be a conscious co-creator, so
understanding the journey and your life path and your cycles to make better
choices is half, and that's another way I look at it, it's to make better choices.
It's just not to know your life path and make the same old dumb mistakes.
It's sort of like once you know your life path, you have a light
bill and you have a, uh, a gas bill, you forgot which one to pay.
The gas bill was due, but you paid the light bill.
Well, guess what?
Your gas is going to be out because you didn't pay the
right bill at the right time.
So there's times when we need to focus on certain things and when we focus on it
at that time, we get the benefits of it.
But to distill the work of clearing the mental and emotional blockages.
So now I'm gonna get to the crux of what I experienced in 2012 is that when
I was there and I was house sitting for like thirteen years there and
I had to clear a lot of mental and emotional blockages that stopped me.
I must have went through like over twenty different techniques
of healing and whatnot.
But to know is just half the battle as GI Joe says.
The other half is to clear those subconscious blocks that prevent us
from living out our natural nature.
We are not our sign, we're not our heart or our sign.
We are our, as, uh, divine essence of the Creator within us.
We're an expression of that.
However, because we have all these blockages, I wanna know what
is stopping us from expressing that, that divinity within us.
And that's where astrology can help.
If it could help, you know, in terms of how it's practiced
and how people approach it.
Yeah.
Well, well, cycles, everything is a cycle and we, we, if we're aware
of that, it, it goes well for us.
You know, my cousin used to tell us all the time, the seven Ps. Proper Prior
Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
And I think that's really important for people to plan properly and
understand what they're planning.
And a lot of us, we, we go through life without
a cause per se.
You know, we're, we're stumbling and we, we are chasing somebody else's dream
because we see this person doing that.
So we think we should do that, so we can fit that.
And that's not best for us.
We, we really should understand what passion is and understanding how to
attach ourselves to that passion.
Because you, you call it star seeding, but you do have a, you do have a
calling and I can guarantee it.
It may come later in life, it might come early in life.
We don't know that.
But there's a time, a place, and a reason for that.
I do 100% believe that.
So
Yeah, it's like, oh, sorry.
Well, well go ahead because I, I was just gonna end with how do we
understand that calling and how do we avoid missing the calling?
So, um, I mean,
astrology helps with understanding it, but not everybody's gonna have access to that.
So life is just, is gonna teach us.
I think it would be cool if we thought that this was the only life and that,
and I know this, I don't know how people believe in reincarnation, but
even if it wasn't the only life, um,
we're always gonna go back.
We're always gonna have different opportunities to, to do it.
So I don't, I'm not one person who says like, I'm thankful for all my experiences.
All the wrong things, all the things that's happened that's not so good.
And if they're all, they're all informing me of who I could still
be, because that doesn't change what you're star seeded to do.
It may not happen when you're this, so I wish it would've happened, but
maybe there's all these points along the way is what you needed to get.
So that, like for example, you have two cars that are brand new.
They're both brand new, they've been put through the whole thing.
And one was not put on the trial test and the other one was put on
for a trial test to see, you know, on the road, which one would you buy?
Would you buy the one that wasn't tested or would you buy the one that was?
The one with the safety testing.
Yeah.
So even though we're all star seeded to do this stuff, it's like, my mama had a quote
when I was growing up, You never know what's in an ant gut until you smoosh it.
But that's not, that's kind of graphic.
But, but basically what she means is that, um, we have to be, you know, so
many great plans to come and then when in reality, the whole thing falls apart.
So the universe wants to make sure that we could appreciate what it is we have.
It's almost like the millionaire who, I think this is a true story.
He won the lottery and he loved his granddaughter, you know,
and he gave her everything.
But he didn't test if she was ready for that amount of money and she
got with the wrong person, she started doing drugs, and she died.
It's almost like you have a child, you love them, you want them to
have a car, you give them the car.
But what they don't have is the driver's license, what happened?
They could die, you know?
So we're, we're tested to make sure that we are ready for
this kind of responsibility.
It's a big responsibility to come here and at this time to do the work.
And, um, so the tests are part of the journey, part of the initiation, you know?
The sleep and the wake and the initiated and uninitiated.
Well, you know, I, I do believe, you know, as a Christian, we, we
say we are going to be resurrected.
That's reincarnation.
Uh, uh, Jesus says, You shall be born again.
Uh, so, you know, our understanding of all of this may not be perfect,
but I, I do understand that I will die and be resurrected in, in my belief.
So a lot of people do argue about words, but the meaning behind the words
are still the same meaning behind the words, no matter how they're spewed.
So I, I think we really need to understand how to love and get along more.
Because we're really good at hating and defying what this, this body
can produce excellent things and we choose to do wrong things.
And I believe that's why we are here.
I believe we're supposed to experience all of this sin, so we wanna spew it
out and not experience it anymore.
And that way when the new Kingdom does come down, we won't see all of this hatred
and vileness that we're experiencing because none of us will want it.
Uh, what do you think about that?
I got caught up in what you're saying.
I had something in my mind and I was like, Okay, lemme just let
go of that and just hear you.
And so like, my response could be as, uh, natural as, as, as possible.
Um,
I feel that,
there's a quote, there's a quote that I wrote when I was younger.
It said, People are always separated by ideas, concepts, and religion, right?
But they're always brought together by their actions.
So what do I mean by that?
A person that has the seed of goodness inside of them, it don't matter if the
person is Muslim, Christian, it don't matter, they are going to find a way to
gravitate to each other and do something.
They're gonna transcend all the differences because that
is what they are seeded to do.
They don't care about religion, they don't care about all that
'cause they see all saying the same thing anyway in a sense, right?
So people could use anything to, to do anything.
They brought so-called and captured Africans in the Good Ship Jesus,
you know, to the US, um, to the Americas is what, how the story goes.
So people could use anything.
They could have all the titles in the world, Marxist, this,
this, that, this, left, right.
When you have people who are doing something, they let go of all those
titles and they focus on what is good.
They see beyond all of that.
So that's why I said when you focus on a, they, they, we all gonna pay.
Because my path had led me to what I'm at now.
It started with many things, I was in this movement and that movement.
I know when to shed those movements because they're
limiting my essence, growth.
I know when to let them go.
So it's not for me to preach about anybody who's at this path and this.
It works for them, it works for them.
But you telling me, someone preaching to me about Christianity and this
and that and this is what you need, or you're gonna go to hell.
I'm like, Listen, some, it's just, to me, that's just like someone
telling me, I'm looking at a tree, I see a mango tree and they're trying
to tell me that it's an orange tree.
They're going in and on all the facts in the world about how this is an orange
tree and I see mangoes growing from that tree, you think I'm gonna believe them?
You think I'm gonna believe them?
That that is an orange tree when I see mangoes growing from that tree.
So people, I tell people, this is another quote of mine, Religion, not
children, should be seen and not heard.
Religion, not children, should be seen and not heard.
What do I mean by that?
You will see it in a person if they're so called what they say they are.
And if they're not, their actions, some people say, I can't hear you because
your actions are so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying, you know?
So, yeah.
That's right.
I, I agree a hundred percent with that.
You know, and, and that's why I don't use a lot of preaching
in my, you know, podcast.
I, I believe that's up to the individual to understand.
However, I do have beliefs that guide me.
And I, I too believe a hundred percent that Christianity especially
has a bad name because people don't understand what you just outlined.
It, it's through how you act, what you do, not what you say.
You know, what you say is easy to say, but I, I see so many people
using good intention to profit themselves, and that's pure evil.
And that has given so many good intentions, a bad light.
So it is, it's up to each and every person to decide, are you gonna be good or bad?
I, I believe that a hundred percent.
And how we walk that is up to us.
I, I believe there's a higher power and I believe something
made us all for a reason.
Am I smart enough to figure all that out?
Uhuh.
That's why I'm speaking to you today, and I speak to everybody else because I
want to understand where everybody is, in not only their life, it's my life too.
Because I'm here with you and I want it to be harmonious and we
have to understand each other.
Not to force change on anyone because I can't make you
change, that, that's impossible.
You have to decide to honor that and do it yourself.
And I, I don't even know if you wanna change, I, I don't care about that.
That's a personal, you know, it's a trip, it's a journey.
And as long as we can get through it without all of the hatred, violence,
and most of all, misunderstandings.
And that, that's by owning up to who we are.
Go ahead.
Right.
So one of the greatest gifts I've got from being on this journey
has taught me that, um, okay, so there's three aspects of things.
The one is understanding your life path and cycles, you know, so
you can make better choices with astrology, whatever tools you have.
And then there's clearing the mental and emotional blockages with certain
techniques I've, I've worked on that helped me to clear certain things.
But there's another aspect which is interesting because it's the aspect of
being okay with what is by understanding, the reason why we are not better conscious
co-creators is because there's certain ways of, a conscious co-creator thinks.
I talk about the four questions conscious co-creators ask, and
seven universal principles.
So you have the actions and the techniques.
So I'll give you an example.
So I had, I do the techniques, but my wrist was hurting me for a while and
I, I did the technique, it didn't work.
And I realized, Oh, I need to embrace this pain.
It's for a reason.
It's teaching me something, you see?
And that's where the universal principal come, comes in.
We think that we just wanna get out of pain.
Sometimes pain is necessary, sometimes pain is part of the
process to the next stage.
So techniques alone is not going to do it.
You can't depend, what is more important than having a technique
and wanting to be out of pain is embracing pain to be out of pain.
There's a slight difference you, to some people who just want to be out
pain and use techniques to a person that applies universal principles of how
to live their life that embraces what comes so they can transform what is.
And so I realized that conscious co-creation coaching was a way
to teach people these principles of how to live their life.
There's a certain way, like a musician, they know the seven notes.
They play it over and over and over to get better at it.
Um, they're not gonna be a master the first time they learn these principles,
but as they practice and get better at it, better at it, and ask these
questions and cycles and cycle, their growth continues to evolve.
And that's what we're all doing.
We're all at different stages and we're all, we all will get there
because we all came out of the source and we all will go back.
So once we understand that, it just creates a, it gives a certain level of,
um, contentment but not complacency.
So that's the balance.
You wanna be content with the journey, but not complacent because we came here
for a reason to have these experiences.
And when we have these experiences, we understand these cycles, we
understand these universal principles.
Life brings us challenges, but it, it, it doesn't demolish us because we have
universal principles that guide our life.
And I had some student interns for my business and I teach, and that's the
first thing I teach them, use seven, you know, principles of how to live.
And they, and then whenever we have a problem, this is what my teacher taught
me when I studied the acupuncture, but he used the seven laws of Kybalion.
But it's like, whenever we learn something, he goes,
What principal is that?
What principal?
So we're always thinking about what universal principles am I dealing
with to handle this situation?
If they complain, okay, what principal are, are you dealing with right now?
And then they have to tell me and then they're like, Okay.
So it's teaching them to, it's giving them a, it's, it's more than
just giving a, a technique, it's sort of like giving someone a fish.
Whereas understanding universal principles, teaching them how to fish
for themselves to make their life better.
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that a lot.
Uh, I believe in that principle where, teach them to fish so
they can feed themselves forever.
And, and so many want to control the food per se in your life that, you know,
so many miss an abundant life just because of that.
So, yeah, I, I think it, it's really good to be broad in how
you think and, you know, open to understanding because that's where
you're going to shift to true wisdom.
And it, it's, we, we didn't make the world, we're just in the world.
And there are these certain principles, if you fall off of
a cliff, you're going to die.
So we avoid cliffs, right?
So if we dive into experiencing what those limits truly are without crossing those
boundaries, that, that can be a good life.
However, how can we understand what the boundaries are if we're
not setting our boundaries?
When you say not setting your boundaries, how do you mean?
To make sure I understand.
You mean, gimme an example.
Yeah.
Everything in life you have to set a boundary on.
If you're eating, you have to set your boundaries.
Are you going to eat too much or are you going to eat enough?
There's that middle ground on everything and or there's a cause and effect in life.
So
we wanna find a balance in life and understand when that balance
is too far or not enough, because a lot of us don't have enough.
And that's why I teach in my conscious co-creation workshop, I teach, I
talk about the four questions every conscious co-creator must ask.
And in time you ask these questions and it maybe every quarter, whatever,
because the answers to those questions will change as you continue to grow.
And then you have the seven universal principals and, um, a, a teacher named
Almine, she talks about these, I forgot the name, but she talks about the ten
questions to ask in relationships.
And I use that, um, because once you have these questions that you're
asking, and life is gonna teach you, you just live and you show up, whatever
frustrates you is your teacher.
Whatever, you know, is there, it's going to be a pathway to initiate you.
So remember what I said earlier, you are asleep to that area about what to do.
So what's gonna happen?
You initiate it, you're initiated, actually, you are awoke to the
fact that this is a situation, but you haven't been initiated into
understanding what to do about it.
So life and other people who may be asleep are going to put you through the process
of waking up and how you deal with these, answering these questions that are, your
guiding principles are going to lead you.
It's all about your integrity and, um, and I think that's what
America's going through right now.
It's, it's about, it's teaching us, it's not about any politician or this or that.
It's about what do we truly believe is true?
What is our value?
I'm watching people and they're making decisions, Whatever decision they make
is fine, but what do they have to deny reality in order to accept this thing?
What is the true reason?
Where am I at right now is one of the questions of the conscious co-creator.
Where am I at right now, emotionally, spiritually, physically?
We have to be honest.
If we're not honest about where we're at right now, if we're doing
things based out of fear, out of whatever, not wanting to change, what
have you, it's almost like someone telling you, I wanna come pick you up.
Where are you?
And you don't give 'em the right directions.
You are telling them where to go, and you just start from another point.
You gonna get there?
No, 'cause you didn't, you didn't, you weren't honest
about where you're at right now.
And another question that a conscious co-creator must
ask is, Where do I wanna be?
And when you ask the question of where I want to be, it's the reverse.
Because in that sense, you don't think about where you're at right now.
You think about where you've been.
And a lot of times people can't, like my teacher used to say, I'm
asking you where you're going and you tell me where you've been.
And what he meant by that is, a lot of times we can't envision where we
wanna be because we're so stuck in the reality of where we're at right now.
So a conscious co-creator knows when to ask certain questions so that
they can, and the more honest you are with these questions, the better
it is for your continued evolution.
And then I go into the seven questions, out of other things,
but I think this is so cool because once you have these principles,
okay, so you have the principles, which I think is the foundation, and
the questions that you're asking.
Because it's teaching you how to guide yourself through life.
Second is techniques for clearing the mental and emotional blockages,
the neuropeptides in our brain that keep us acting the same way.
All of thinking and talking and wishing.
It's almost like you have a radio and you want peace, but you're
in the station of W-A-R, W-A-R is what's playing on your station.
That's all you're going to hear is war music.
If you want, maybe you don't know how to change the frequency, you
may not know how, that's a problem.
But as long as you don't know how, or you're too lazy to do it, whatever the
reason is, if you don't change that dial, all you're going to hear is W-A-R music.
So the techniques of how to shift the frequency in yourself is going to
help you be on that right frequency.
And then, like I said about understanding your own personal life path and cycles,
like in the Destiny card system, the year begins on your birthday and it's broken
down to seven fifty-two day period, right?
And everybody has a certain period that's, each fifty-two
day period is ruled by a planet.
So then you know the cycles of your year of when certain things
happen, you make better decisions.
It's not to tell you that this is gonna happen, that, nothing happens.
It's sort of like when you're playing cards, you know, um, you
could have a great deck of cards, great hand, or a terrible hand.
But the one who plays the cards right are the ones, is the one who wins.
It's not based on always the great cards or the not so great cards.
It's how you play it.
And so these are the stepping tools that a conscious co-creator uses
to navigate their life in a way by having the right perceptions,
having the right understanding by, how to approach life, and having the
tools to clear up all the mental.
I'm also a, a postum meditation, meditator for many years, twenty years.
And it's a technique to allow seed life as it is.
For postumies accepting life as it is, not how you would want it to be.
Which is, which is related to the first question a conscious co-creator asked.
It's not related to the second one, which is, where do I wanna be?
It's related to the first one because that one will liberate you from all the,
some scars and all the past karma because you're honest enough with yourself to
deal with the reality of where we're at.
This is on an individual level, this is on a national level, this is on a
world level, this is on every level.
We have to be honest.
And then so the more honest we are, the more we go into the veil
of illusion that I talked about.
Because there's only so much of the iceberg that the average person
is, wants to see, or is even star seeded to see, what have you.
So the ones that are able to see deeper and longer into these long things
that have happened in an individual's life, in a nation's life, in a world's
life, you know, the, the honest truth is there have been many times when
we've reset this program here on the earth 'cause we wanna save the earth,
but we don't need to save the earth.
We need to save humanity in this form because when Mother Earth
is tired of us, she'll shake us off with, like a bad habit.
And, but guess what?
Essence of who we are never dies so we'll just evolve to the next stage.
I think the problem is that we're afraid of change, the part of
us that's connected to form and person is afraid of the next stage.
And we have all kind of religions and philosophies that tell us, Oh, if you
do this, you'll be protected in heaven.
Or if you do this, this will happen.
And all these reasons are not good enough.
Because if they're only done because you're afraid of this, or running from
that and not understanding what your true essence is, your true nature is,
there's gonna be a time when you're going to have to get woke from that.
You're gonna have to go through the initiation of being awoke
and, and, and all of that.
And it's not a bad thing 'cause that's what we're here to,
we're here to have experiences.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, have you ever experienced deja vu?
Yes.
Have you ever seen the movie Source Code?
The movie Source Code.
You should watch it if you could get your hands on it.
I have not.
I, I'm not big on movies.
Oh, okay.
I just watch them because there's so much that they put in movies for us to get.
Science fiction is really science fact in so many ways.
Like that's the mode that they teach us, train us to be at the, go on to the next
level of growth that needs to happen.
They have to put it in, in certain movies, right?
So I watch it for those purposes.
Yeah.
Well, well it's just, it's just a phenomena that has occurred so many
times in my life that it makes me wonder, Wow, how is this possible, you know?
And, and there's, this is, this is why, you know, many of us think linear in time
and, and I think it's so much more than that and we just don't understand it.
Or, because I, I can sure feel it in many ways.
And that is just one instance, that deja vu feeling.
I've been here, I've done this, I, I know what's coming next.
And so our world is so curious.
And my question to the people, Do you have a curious mind to understand what you're
in or do you just want to get through it so you don't have to experience it?
That's what I, exactly what I was saying about do I, am I just doing
these tools so I can run from pain or am I using these understandings
of how, so that I can embrace it?
'Cause it's there to teach me something.
I mean, our body, once we love our body as much as our body loves us, it's like
we do our body the worst disservice.
It's constantly working.
I believe our mind and our body work together to serve
our higher purpose, right?
But right now, the mind has kind of taken control of the gig.
It's not asking the body for any help.
So that's why I said any technique that works on the subconscious level,
on the body technique, is what, what I learned to help clear that.
And the mind is a great teacher, I mean, um, student or, you know,
servant but a, oh, a terrible master.
I forgot how exactly how the saying goes.
But, um,
so we need a mind and we need a body.
But when they're, when we don't, when we don't understand, like, so we do
the body a disservice when, say you're eating wrong, you're not doing right,
doing all, eating the wrong things.
And then you have a knee ache or a stomach ache.
Oh, my dang gone knee is giving out on me.
Well, guess what?
It needs to give you pain to let you know you're doing this thing wrong.
And as soon as you, it gets your attention, it's like, we're doing
everything here to make it work.
Well, we're gonna have to send out a pain signal because they're not listening.
And then when we do, Oh, that dang gone knee, and they're like, that's the worst,
that's, that's like betrayal to the body.
It's trying everything that's possible to help you.
It's, they're trying to do everything, our bodies is, is, is made for us to live.
But when we don't follow certain universal laws or whatever principles
for, we're going to suffer.
And that's a good thing that we did.
Imagine we just eat yourself into oblivion down, you know, you need
to have some kind of consequence so you could get back in balance.
So it's not, we should embrace these things so that it can help
us get to the next level, you know?
I don't wanna get on my soap box.
Uh, so, so, you know, that, that goes into the fear and anxiety that
we feel, it's there for a reason.
Is it a warning, you know?
So we really have to be in tune to our own personal self.
And when we have that moment, we have to tune into that moment.
Why are we feeling that?
And I think that's part of what you're talking about,
co-creation, being aware so you can actually, yes, instead of react,
you know, you can actually analyze and experience instead of react.
Yes.
I mean, love, we all talk about love, and love is a beautiful energy.
But love, let me tell you, it is a catalyst.
It's gonna take anything that's not at its frequency and burn it out of our lives.
And who doesn't have so many things that are preventing us from
being at that higher frequency.
It's just a great thought.
Yes, we need to love, but in order to do that, all kinds of
stuff is gonna have to come up.
Things, and that's what has got me on the path that I've lived.
A totally different, unique path that led me to all kinds of cities,
different things, all kinds of ways of being so that I can hold onto
the truth that, uh, I have to share.
And everybody is different.
And there's no one truth because everybody has different perspectives
how they look at the truth.
However, it's not about right or wrong, it's about deciding
yes or no for your life.
You see?
So I could be here in Dominica where I'm living, and we had a hurricane
five come right through, the eye of the hurricane five came right through us.
A lot of people lost their houses.
I mean, their roof, their this and that.
But here in our reality, the roof stayed on.
There was, the trees fell, but one fell this way, that way,
this way, didn't hit the house.
So there's two realities that happen, one is one way and one is the next way.
And, you know, so there's, there's, there's, um, and I have another quote,
Uh, it says, Our protection is in our perception.
Our protection is in our perception.
It's not in what you could do here.
Get this and grab that, and do this and do that.
It's not going to save you at the end of the day if you perceive that
there's something outside of you that can, um, affect you, you know?
So I talk about all this in my book, Afraid of Our Own Shadow, a Manifesto
and Guide for Conscious Co-Creation.
It kind of tells a little bit of my story and, and, and these seven,
seven steps to conscious co-creation, it talks about it in that book.
And, and it is important because, um,
everybody has their own certain path.
At the end of the day, we're always gonna be judged by how far we
wanna go to stay on the love side.
We all start off so fresh on the love side when we're young and when life
throws us this and that, we kind of misalign ourselves with that and we start
focusing on the they and we all pay.
And then, you know, finally we get to a point through many lives, and that's what
I realized when I looked at my chart.
I have the last degree of Scorpio, so I realized I must of
did everything in another life.
But this life is like the Source Code, I just came back.
I wanna clear up all of that, you know?
So that's why you don't judge people, because you don't know at what stage they
are in their own evolution, you know?
So I know that gets into other theories.
But at the end of the day, it's not about right or wrong.
It's about choosing yes or no for yourself.
I'm not here to tell everybody that this is how it's supposed to be and
that, that I, I, who knows what is right and who knows what is wrong.
There's so much cloud of, veil of illusion that's out there.
There's no one out here who could think, they think they know something.
Because when I saw what my mom had when I, I'm like, there's a whole nother reality
that we, that majority of us don't know.
Oh, so what we can do is decide this is what I value, yes to this or no to that.
And that's what this time is making everybody have to look at.
Are they're saying yes because this is what they value, or are they saying
yes because this is what's gonna keep me safe, or I don't wanna be
that one out, or, this is challenging my, my concept of what have you.
And these are the reasons those get to go back to the four questions
every conscious co-creator was asked, where am I right now?
You know, what's the best?
And then the third is, um, uh, you know, where am I right now?
What's in the way and what's the best solution for my needs?
And life will teach you that.
Life will teach you that if you're honest with it and you're truthful.
Because like I said, it don't matter what religion, idea, philosophy
that separates us, we're always brought together by our actions.
And when we act off of our higher self, our true knowing, we will
connect with other people of whoever raised whatever ideology when
we, when we tap into that power.
Yeah.
I, I, I believe that you can feel people around you.
If you're in tune to that resonance that we all live in, you know?
And if you've ever walked into a room and got that feeling, I'm
turning around and walking out, that's another one of those things.
And these are universal in our principles.
And if we can adapt our ways to understanding why we're
receiving these, I, I think life can be better for all of us.
So, DeBorah, I could go on for hours with you.
I, I wanna ask, Is there anything that we've missed that you would
like to add to our conversation?
Um, no, I think we did pretty good.
I think we did pretty good, we covered a lot of things.
I would say that, um, this is a unique time in our, in our lives,
you know, end of a, a major cycle.
And
just like a, a mother goes through growing pains, you know, um, in terms of
when they're having a baby, birthing it.
But after having that child, it's like, Oh my gosh, there's nothing
else I would rather, I would do it again and again and again.
Um, some would be saying, Never again.
But, but the majority of people, when they see the joy of, of the final product,
and I think, um, for those people who are ready to embrace being a conscious
co-creator, to step into another level of, of, of co-creating with the universe,
it's, it, we have to do what you said, as a Christian, which is die,
metaphorically, figuratively, literally.
Not always literally, but figuratively, to be reborn.
You know, you can't get into another reality based on
the one that you have been.
You have to die to those old ideas and philosophies in order to be born again.
So, yes, even birth is a death.
Death of being in the womb and all taken care of.
Now the child is out.
So there's a death of that, there's always a definite birth.
It's all connected, it's all one.
You know, as much as you love the day, you need night in order
to get to the next one, right?
As much as you love the day, you need a night to get to the next one, you know?
So that's what I would say.
You start as a caterpillar to become a butterfly.
And that cocoon,
ah, see, there you go.
See that cocoon, it's the turmoils of life and transformation.
And that's what we've been talking about here with this conversation today, is
how to get through those turmoils and transformations the best way possible.
How can people get in touch with you and become a part of
what you're doing, DeBorah?
Okay, so I have a blog that has been kind of inactive because I have been
spending so much time on the astrological research and doing things and, with that.
It's, so I have not been so consistent.
But I have a website, I have a blog that talks a lot about my journey.
Um, it's called Coming Full Circle.
Um, it's going up through different years, like a twenty year cycle of,
of me, this whole project that I have.
And that's whoiamcommunications.com/cfc.
And my regular website, whoiamcommunications.com is, um, has
some of the services that I do and I have a substack, um, I have a substack
that I wanna start having more active.
I wanna talk about the journey starting in 2026, uh, about all the six cities that
I went through to end up in Port Aurora.
The whole download started so I, I could share that.
And, um, yeah, so that's what I'm doing.
That's how you can reach me.
Exciting.
You know, you're very active and you're doing some wonderful things out there.
I ask you to keep doing them.
And if you ever need anything, reach out to us because
we're always willing to help.
But it, it's been a pleasure having you on the show today.
Thank you for being here.
You are welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you for reaching out to me and then connecting with me.
You know, I have met, um, many people reach out, so it's been, it's been good.
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you.
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