1 00:00:54,155 --> 00:00:59,375 Today we are speaking with Richard Tierney, he created a program 2 00:00:59,375 --> 00:01:02,015 called Trauma Recovery Anonymous. 3 00:01:02,555 --> 00:01:04,805 Richard, could you please introduce yourself? 4 00:01:04,865 --> 00:01:07,235 Let people know just a little more about you, please. 5 00:01:08,685 --> 00:01:10,095 Okay, I'm Richard. 6 00:01:10,115 --> 00:01:10,985 Really great to be here. 7 00:01:10,985 --> 00:01:11,825 Thank you for having me, Ed. 8 00:01:12,785 --> 00:01:13,345 Uh, really cool. 9 00:01:13,345 --> 00:01:14,755 I'm loving these podcasts. 10 00:01:15,210 --> 00:01:18,900 I just, before I start, I wanna thank people like yourself who wouldn't have a 11 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:21,820 chance to speak if it wasn't for people like yourself who started these podcasts. 12 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,330 So for that first of all, I wanna say thank you very much. 13 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:26,760 Um, my name is Richard Tierney. 14 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:27,810 I'm originally from Ireland. 15 00:01:27,810 --> 00:01:28,860 I'm living in Thailand. 16 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,730 I'm now married, I've got two teenage, well, they're young adults now, 17 00:01:32,820 --> 00:01:34,080 they're both going to university. 18 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,960 One is twenty and the other is just turning seventeen. 19 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:37,580 They're both in university. 20 00:01:37,604 --> 00:01:40,514 Um, I, I came from Ireland originally. 21 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,125 I, I suffered, I'm sorry, I cut myself shaving tonight. 22 00:01:43,274 --> 00:01:44,645 I should've left the beard on, but I shaved. 23 00:01:44,664 --> 00:01:48,554 And I've got two wounds on either side of my lips here, so please forgive those. 24 00:01:48,554 --> 00:01:51,285 It's not a, it's not a camera thing, it's me cut myself 25 00:01:51,285 --> 00:01:53,804 shaving in two distinct places. 26 00:01:54,074 --> 00:01:56,505 Seems crazy, I totally cut myself once and I got two. 27 00:01:56,744 --> 00:01:57,984 Anyway, anyway, that's, that's, trivial. 28 00:01:57,984 --> 00:02:02,234 And I come from Ireland originally, I'm married now, I've got two 29 00:02:02,294 --> 00:02:04,064 teenage, uh, young adults now. 30 00:02:04,064 --> 00:02:07,169 I keep thinking they're children, but they're not. 31 00:02:07,169 --> 00:02:09,539 Um, so, uh, I, I live here. 32 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:11,940 And I suffered a trauma when I was twelve years of age. 33 00:02:11,995 --> 00:02:12,638 And it, it, really ruined, ruled and defined me. 34 00:02:12,638 --> 00:02:12,725 And I was a victim for 35 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:17,190 most of my life. 36 00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:19,530 Most of my, for forty years I was a victim. 37 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:22,769 Hated of the world, afraid of everybody and everything, and, uh, 38 00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:27,299 pushed my family away, put my friends away, fear of intimacy, of anything 39 00:02:27,299 --> 00:02:28,489 at all trying to have it reach me. 40 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:31,470 And I got involved in addictions, just trying to escape. 41 00:02:31,929 --> 00:02:33,840 It wasn't that I wanted to die, I didn't want to live. 42 00:02:34,019 --> 00:02:37,740 I felt so ashamed of myself and I felt I must have caused my abuse. 43 00:02:38,310 --> 00:02:39,750 I must have sent some signals. 44 00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:43,380 So all that kind of stuff as a child who doesn't know any, how to deal with this 45 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:45,360 stuff, was blaming myself for everything. 46 00:02:46,070 --> 00:02:49,680 And I got to stage four in AA, I got a, what they call a sponsor. 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,430 It's like a mentor, someone who teaches you how to become normal again, how 48 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:55,440 to deal with and interact with people. 49 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,740 I used to always be going on about my victimhood, and he said to me one day, he 50 00:02:58,740 --> 00:03:00,750 said to me, Isn't it time you let that go? 51 00:03:01,350 --> 00:03:02,640 I was, I was highly offended. 52 00:03:03,209 --> 00:03:05,670 Who do you think you are saying I should let go of this victimhood? 53 00:03:05,670 --> 00:03:08,700 This is who I was, this is my, my identity, you know? 54 00:03:09,329 --> 00:03:12,000 But it had come to a stage where I'd actually really got comfortable 55 00:03:12,029 --> 00:03:17,399 having a, a mentor, someone outside who was able to like be a father 56 00:03:17,399 --> 00:03:19,260 figure to me and direct me in my life. 57 00:03:19,260 --> 00:03:20,535 And I didn't want to throw that away. 58 00:03:20,774 --> 00:03:22,774 Although normally I'd run for the hills when someone 59 00:03:22,774 --> 00:03:24,255 would, would challenge me, Ed. 60 00:03:24,255 --> 00:03:27,345 It wasn't like, so they were saying I'd run for the hills 61 00:03:27,345 --> 00:03:28,215 and they'd never see me again. 62 00:03:28,215 --> 00:03:31,665 But I kind of wanted to keep this going because it's the one kind of 63 00:03:31,665 --> 00:03:35,505 sanity I had in my life was this person calling my shots, you know, 64 00:03:35,505 --> 00:03:36,825 calling me on my crap or whatever. 65 00:03:37,515 --> 00:03:39,915 So I kind of decided I'd try and find some solution. 66 00:03:39,915 --> 00:03:44,685 I love that the AA twelve step program, this spiritual aspect to it, that we're 67 00:03:44,685 --> 00:03:46,155 trying to heal a hole in our soul. 68 00:03:46,965 --> 00:03:49,275 That my trauma, no one can see my trauma. 69 00:03:49,275 --> 00:03:52,965 They can see how it manifests mentally, physically, emotionally, but they 70 00:03:52,965 --> 00:03:54,825 cannot see that hole in my soul. 71 00:03:54,885 --> 00:03:57,584 You know, that I can be looking at you here today and you can think, Oh, 72 00:03:57,584 --> 00:04:00,731 Richie looks like, apart from his, his cuts and his, from his shaving, 73 00:04:00,975 --> 00:04:02,295 he looks like he's, he's sane. 74 00:04:02,535 --> 00:04:04,394 But inside, it's a hole that's eating away at me. 75 00:04:04,524 --> 00:04:08,204 I can be feeling insane on the inside, but outside, look, look normal, you know? 76 00:04:08,625 --> 00:04:09,825 And that's where I was most of my life. 77 00:04:09,825 --> 00:04:12,805 I was going through my life, people look at me thinking I'm a normal kind of guy. 78 00:04:12,805 --> 00:04:15,395 Where inside, just eating away at me. 79 00:04:15,425 --> 00:04:19,435 Ulcers, cancers, disease, dis-ease with myself and the people around me, 80 00:04:19,644 --> 00:04:20,905 in conflict with the world around me. 81 00:04:21,235 --> 00:04:22,435 And that's where I came from. 82 00:04:23,665 --> 00:04:24,085 Yeah. 83 00:04:24,145 --> 00:04:28,825 Well, I can really relate in many ways to that, Richard. 84 00:04:29,045 --> 00:04:34,365 I myself, went through lots of trauma early on. 85 00:04:34,365 --> 00:04:40,604 At nine years old I was addicted to drugs and alcohol, and that's pretty early. 86 00:04:40,604 --> 00:04:47,505 I went to Alateen, you know, and that AA twelve step program sure does come 87 00:04:47,505 --> 00:04:50,294 in handy if, if you use it properly. 88 00:04:50,965 --> 00:04:57,734 And there's, there's a lot of us out here, that we've went through a lot of trauma 89 00:04:57,794 --> 00:04:59,594 and we don't know how to get rid of it. 90 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:06,060 And it, it feels shameful and dirty and, you know, heavy. 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,130 It gets really heavy on us. 92 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:15,360 After we find the light, and I really think this communication is part 93 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,640 of that light when we can actually sit down and have a conversation 94 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,680 without feeling the guilt and the trauma behind the conversation. 95 00:05:27,450 --> 00:05:36,030 What was the first step for you to recovering out of this childhood trauma? 96 00:05:39,870 --> 00:05:40,920 I love your question. 97 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,640 I, I've been blown away by podcasts that seem to have wonderful ways of 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,330 expressing questions that just, just really kind of open up the whole story. 99 00:05:48,330 --> 00:05:53,610 So, so I, I, I knew from, from speaking to this man that I was living a lie. 100 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,790 So, so, so from my understanding was, I, I, the A, the AA program took about 101 00:05:59,790 --> 00:06:01,350 twenty-four hours, one day at a time. 102 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:04,800 And that never sunk in until this whole trauma thing. 103 00:06:04,980 --> 00:06:09,750 So I'm sixty-three years of age, I I, I'm a husband and, and I'm a father. 104 00:06:09,750 --> 00:06:13,690 I've got two grown children, I call 'em children, I, I think they be 105 00:06:13,690 --> 00:06:15,000 fifty, I'd be calling 'em children. 106 00:06:15,330 --> 00:06:18,735 My two grown children in university, you know, and my mother-in-law in the house. 107 00:06:18,735 --> 00:06:20,015 We've got two dogs and whatever, 108 00:06:20,015 --> 00:06:20,910 and I live in Asia. 109 00:06:22,170 --> 00:06:23,850 But I only have these twenty-four hours. 110 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:26,969 So my day to day was I get up at 6:00 AM in the morning and I go to 111 00:06:26,969 --> 00:06:28,489 bed at 10:00 PM at night, normally. 112 00:06:28,770 --> 00:06:31,230 I'm on at midnight with you tonight 'cause of the time zone, but 113 00:06:31,230 --> 00:06:33,240 normally it's 6:00 AM until 10:00 PM. 114 00:06:33,870 --> 00:06:36,990 And then at 10:00 PM at night, I give my whole day to God. 115 00:06:37,140 --> 00:06:37,870 I mean, I'm not preaching. 116 00:06:38,610 --> 00:06:42,240 I'm not a religious person, I don't do church, I don't do manmade religions, 117 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,530 I'm not a member of a denomination. 118 00:06:43,890 --> 00:06:47,490 But I made a decision that at nighttime I'd say, Okay, God, here's my day. 119 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,650 Here's the good of it and the bad of it. 120 00:06:49,860 --> 00:06:54,600 My, my successes, my failures, my wins, my losses, my challenges, what 121 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,060 I failed to do, and what I should have done, and what I didn't do. 122 00:06:57,420 --> 00:07:00,210 Take all of it and give me eight hours of peaceful sleep. 123 00:07:00,810 --> 00:07:03,420 And when I say I have the conversation at night, for some 124 00:07:03,420 --> 00:07:05,280 reason it all leaves my head. 125 00:07:05,285 --> 00:07:08,550 I put my head on the pillow, I close my eyes, and I sleep like a fucking log. 126 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:11,295 Wake up the next morning and it's a case of a whole new day 127 00:07:11,295 --> 00:07:12,405 of sixteen hours in front of me. 128 00:07:12,405 --> 00:07:15,465 And I do from six until ten, eight hours of work and eight hours of play. 129 00:07:15,795 --> 00:07:17,925 And I've committed to living in those sixteen hours. 130 00:07:18,435 --> 00:07:21,540 And that's the AA program, gave me the gift of sixteen hours in a day. 131 00:07:21,540 --> 00:07:23,325 So I only live in sixteen hours in the day. 132 00:07:23,595 --> 00:07:26,325 I don't think the past is the present anymore, I don't think 133 00:07:26,325 --> 00:07:27,135 the future is the present. 134 00:07:28,065 --> 00:07:31,785 I may not wake up tomorrow so the future's none of my business and the past I've 135 00:07:31,785 --> 00:07:33,465 realized isn't anything to do with me. 136 00:07:33,945 --> 00:07:35,325 I'm sixty-three years of age. 137 00:07:35,625 --> 00:07:40,170 I'm in my life today as a parent, and a husband, and a father, and a, and a 138 00:07:40,410 --> 00:07:44,700 trauma therapist and a member of recovery, and I'm here on a podcast with you. 139 00:07:44,940 --> 00:07:48,480 This is my life, this is the complete totality of my life. 140 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:52,320 What happened fifty years ago didn't happen to the sixty-three-year-old man. 141 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,380 Because if what happened to me as a child, if that happened to me today, 142 00:07:55,590 --> 00:07:58,260 I'd be big enough and old enough to say, No, that's not happening. 143 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,670 Get back, fuck off. 144 00:07:59,670 --> 00:08:00,270 I'd kill you. 145 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,470 It wouldn't happen to me. 146 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,105 So I came to realize that I'm carrying the memory of what 147 00:08:06,105 --> 00:08:09,345 happened to my younger self, and I'm carrying sympathy pains for him. 148 00:08:10,185 --> 00:08:12,825 But he went through it, not me, you know? 149 00:08:13,155 --> 00:08:15,075 Like, I'm a sober person here. 150 00:08:15,075 --> 00:08:18,195 Thirty-eight years, thirty years, years ago, I was a chronic alcoholic. 151 00:08:18,825 --> 00:08:20,175 Today, I'm not a chronic alcoholic. 152 00:08:20,385 --> 00:08:22,725 I'm sober today, I'm a husband and a father. 153 00:08:22,725 --> 00:08:25,365 Thirty-eight years ago, you wouldn't trust me with your own children. 154 00:08:25,365 --> 00:08:27,075 You wouldn't trust me in a job, you wouldn't trust me 155 00:08:27,315 --> 00:08:28,395 behind the wheel of a car. 156 00:08:28,785 --> 00:08:31,305 But today, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm trusted behind the wheel of a car. 157 00:08:31,515 --> 00:08:34,155 I'm trusted with my children, other people's children, I'm trusted 158 00:08:34,155 --> 00:08:35,685 in my, in my daily routines. 159 00:08:35,745 --> 00:08:37,455 You're having me on my, on your podcast. 160 00:08:37,664 --> 00:08:40,335 If this would be thirty-eight years ago, you wouldn't leave me near the, 161 00:08:40,385 --> 00:08:42,794 the camera for fear I'd make some show. 162 00:08:42,794 --> 00:08:46,545 Or, you know, so I can't be, I can't be in two places at once. 163 00:08:46,545 --> 00:08:50,895 Either I'm here with you today or I'm a twelve-year-old child, fifty years ago. 164 00:08:52,185 --> 00:08:53,835 But I can't be in both places at once. 165 00:08:54,045 --> 00:08:56,040 So, so that was my trauma. 166 00:08:56,100 --> 00:09:00,990 My, my understanding of trauma was, I only exist today so what happened 167 00:09:00,990 --> 00:09:02,220 in the past didn't happen to me. 168 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:06,330 So it's not my job to get vengeance or justice for what happened in the past. 169 00:09:06,570 --> 00:09:09,900 It'd be like, it'd be like, I always think of, Ed, if you and I were close 170 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:14,490 friends and if you broke your leg and I decided to put my leg in a cast and 171 00:09:14,490 --> 00:09:18,090 take medication for your physical pain, what benefit would that be to you? 172 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:22,469 I'm walking around with my good leg in a cast, taking medication for your physical 173 00:09:22,469 --> 00:09:24,209 pain, medication for your emotional pain. 174 00:09:24,510 --> 00:09:26,040 How is that helping you recover? 175 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,310 And then six months later, your leg comes out of the cast and you're fine. 176 00:09:29,550 --> 00:09:31,949 And ten years later, I'm still walking around with my leg in a cast, still 177 00:09:31,949 --> 00:09:35,939 taking medication for your physical pain, and your, your past, it's over. 178 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:37,650 How is that helping you in any way? 179 00:09:37,709 --> 00:09:41,880 And then the worst question is, when is that no longer about you and all about me. 180 00:09:44,235 --> 00:09:47,235 That's happened with my trauma, it was no longer about the twelve-year-old child. 181 00:09:47,715 --> 00:09:50,265 I had taken ownership of it as though it happened to me, 182 00:09:50,385 --> 00:09:51,435 and it hadn't happened to me. 183 00:09:51,765 --> 00:09:53,925 It couldn't happen to me because I'm a, I'm a grown adult. 184 00:09:54,105 --> 00:09:57,085 If that person came near me as a grown adult, I killed the fucker. 185 00:09:57,485 --> 00:09:58,305 He wouldn't get anywhere near me. 186 00:09:58,305 --> 00:10:01,120 That was a twelve-year-old child who lost their innocence, not, 187 00:10:01,395 --> 00:10:02,475 not a sixty-two-year-old man. 188 00:10:02,475 --> 00:10:04,905 So that, for me, was a turning point. 189 00:10:04,905 --> 00:10:08,475 I realized I had to find some way of teaching people how they could 190 00:10:08,475 --> 00:10:11,115 separate from the past and give the past back to the younger self. 191 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:15,689 That, that's interesting right there, Richard. 192 00:10:15,780 --> 00:10:19,620 You know, the comment, uh, I had to teach someone. 193 00:10:20,850 --> 00:10:22,590 How big is that? 194 00:10:22,590 --> 00:10:29,160 When we actually develop the skills to be better in ourselves, is it a natural 195 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,610 thing that we want to help others recover? 196 00:10:34,530 --> 00:10:36,420 Well, I, we're, we're human beings. 197 00:10:36,420 --> 00:10:38,209 We're, we're, we're, we're, okay. 198 00:10:39,749 --> 00:10:42,480 The A A program gave me an understanding of God, which is 199 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,330 completely different to the God I, I knew growing up as a Roman Catholic. 200 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,720 And even I, I tried joining a Baptist church, didn't work for me. 201 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,580 I tried joining a Protestant church, didn't work for me. 202 00:10:51,060 --> 00:10:53,220 Tried to go back to my Roman Catholic faith, didn't work for me. 203 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:55,140 Went to a Jesuit church, didn't work for me. 204 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,740 Went to a Presbyterian, organized religion doesn't work for me. 205 00:10:58,920 --> 00:10:59,970 I just, I just realized that. 206 00:11:00,230 --> 00:11:02,340 It's like in AA, there's some meetings that work for me, some 207 00:11:02,340 --> 00:11:04,200 other meetings I can't stand. 208 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,110 We're all personalities, we don't all fit in. 209 00:11:07,905 --> 00:11:10,395 There's people who can't stand me, people who just like me, 210 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,385 and there's people who like me. 211 00:11:11,805 --> 00:11:13,035 That's just the way life is. 212 00:11:13,095 --> 00:11:15,250 Not everyone's gonna like me, everyone's gonna love me, Ed. 213 00:11:15,435 --> 00:11:19,185 The same way certain normal people, I cannot handle. 214 00:11:19,845 --> 00:11:21,824 Other normal people I love, you know? 215 00:11:22,254 --> 00:11:24,915 And other addicts that I don't like and other people I just, I love. 216 00:11:25,725 --> 00:11:27,824 I'm great with other AA members, I'm not quite with members 217 00:11:27,824 --> 00:11:29,535 of other twelve step groups. 218 00:11:29,865 --> 00:11:32,595 We're just different people, we just think different, we do things differently. 219 00:11:32,595 --> 00:11:35,800 So I don't get on well with addicts, and addicts don't get on well with me. 220 00:11:36,675 --> 00:11:37,755 I never did drugs. 221 00:11:38,115 --> 00:11:41,324 I don't, I'm not the same mindset as someone who uses drugs. 222 00:11:42,255 --> 00:11:44,064 And that's not saying anything bad about someone who does drugs, 223 00:11:44,064 --> 00:11:44,984 we're just different people. 224 00:11:45,675 --> 00:11:47,025 You know, it'd be like different tribes. 225 00:11:47,415 --> 00:11:51,255 It's like, I, I love this concept of, when I was born, I 226 00:11:51,255 --> 00:11:52,665 was born into my parents' tribe. 227 00:11:53,385 --> 00:11:55,155 Now, because I'm born into my parents tribe, it doesn't mean that 228 00:11:55,155 --> 00:11:56,925 my parents are my tribe, you know? 229 00:11:57,435 --> 00:12:00,615 My parents were hardworking family people in Ireland. 230 00:12:01,230 --> 00:12:05,550 Now if I want to be a dancer, or a a, a songwriter, or a footballer, 231 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:09,810 or a sports player, I'm not a member of my parents' tribe, you know? 232 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,870 They may want, want me to be a doctor 'cause all the family were 233 00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:14,640 doctors, and I wanna be a dancer. 234 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,710 Just means, it's not that I, I'm sitting wrong, I'm not in my tribe. 235 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:20,520 But when I find my tribe, I fit into it. 236 00:12:21,275 --> 00:12:22,920 And in AA, I found my tribe. 237 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:27,015 I am not a tribe member of the NA Tribe, or the GA Tribe, or the OA 238 00:12:27,015 --> 00:12:28,775 tribe, a member of the AA tribe. 239 00:12:29,545 --> 00:12:30,295 And I feel at home. 240 00:12:30,525 --> 00:12:32,880 Again, I tried Roman Catholic faith, didn't work for me. 241 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:34,110 I'm not a member of that tribe. 242 00:12:34,110 --> 00:12:37,710 Not a member of the Baptist tribe, or the, or the, uh, Anglican, or the, 243 00:12:37,710 --> 00:12:40,140 or the, or the, the, the Partisan, 244 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:41,730 they're just not my tribe. 245 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:42,720 Nothing wrong with them. 246 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:46,810 They work for some people and for some people they're their, they're a God send. 247 00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:48,840 But for me, they're not my tribe. 248 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,960 So I like the concept of having my own understanding of God, but I, I, 249 00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:58,245 again, I couldn't, I couldn't allow myself to be in control of the process. 250 00:12:58,305 --> 00:13:00,795 So having my own understanding could only go so far. 251 00:13:00,795 --> 00:13:04,725 I had to understand that I accept the God of the Bible, just the, God the 252 00:13:04,725 --> 00:13:06,165 Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. 253 00:13:06,194 --> 00:13:09,015 Accept they're, they're, they're the God that I'm talking about. 254 00:13:09,465 --> 00:13:13,815 And they have my concept of them rather than my concept of my understanding. 255 00:13:13,815 --> 00:13:16,605 If I go with my understanding of God, my brother has be nice to me, 256 00:13:16,845 --> 00:13:21,705 stand on my side of the street, fight for my battles, and you know, 257 00:13:22,245 --> 00:13:24,925 that's not, that's me being in control like a go-gettcha God. 258 00:13:26,145 --> 00:13:28,975 So I had to pick a God outside of me, just the God of the Bible. 259 00:13:30,495 --> 00:13:35,685 It is proven, proven by historians and geologists that it's true and 260 00:13:35,685 --> 00:13:37,275 that everything in it is true. 261 00:13:37,275 --> 00:13:39,585 So I accept that's my God. 262 00:13:39,585 --> 00:13:40,755 Christ, He's my God. 263 00:13:40,755 --> 00:13:43,915 Now, I don't have to go to manmade religion, don't join a denomination. 264 00:13:44,235 --> 00:13:46,725 But I can accept that the God of the Bible is my God, and 265 00:13:46,725 --> 00:13:48,150 that's what helped me get over. 266 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:50,910 'Cause what I needed to do is I needed to perform a miracle. 267 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:52,530 I need miracles. 268 00:13:52,830 --> 00:13:56,850 And to defeat a trauma memory, we need miracles. 269 00:13:57,180 --> 00:14:00,180 We need a change of attitude and perspective and that comes 270 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:01,680 with a miraculous change in us. 271 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,980 So I like to tell my clients that when they do my program, they're 272 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:07,050 gonna experience seven miracles. 273 00:14:07,845 --> 00:14:10,095 For me, there were three major and four minor. 274 00:14:10,245 --> 00:14:12,165 For, for another guy, they were all major. 275 00:14:12,435 --> 00:14:14,925 Again, it's, it's how it affects you. 276 00:14:14,925 --> 00:14:17,505 You'll know whether it's a big, big miracle or a small miracle, 277 00:14:17,535 --> 00:14:18,795 but you're gonna perform miracles. 278 00:14:20,385 --> 00:14:23,025 Manmade solutions don't work, medications and therapy don't work. 279 00:14:23,025 --> 00:14:25,305 But solutions, spiritual solution does. 280 00:14:25,305 --> 00:14:25,845 Sorry, go on. 281 00:14:27,435 --> 00:14:28,210 No, that's fine. 282 00:14:28,430 --> 00:14:30,645 Uh, it, it's a good conversation. 283 00:14:31,335 --> 00:14:38,775 Uh, God is the center of everything in many ways to a lot of people. 284 00:14:39,285 --> 00:14:49,845 And I really see those that deny God, they, they tend to have problem lives. 285 00:14:50,235 --> 00:14:53,505 And that's my own opinion, I'll, I'll stick with that. 286 00:14:54,015 --> 00:14:58,005 And I, I think we all need a higher power. 287 00:14:58,785 --> 00:15:06,315 And when we step into a manmade church, there's always worry about 288 00:15:06,765 --> 00:15:08,775 how the rent's going to be paid. 289 00:15:09,345 --> 00:15:12,375 You know, how many members I have? 290 00:15:13,335 --> 00:15:14,925 Am I saving? 291 00:15:15,225 --> 00:15:18,705 You can't save anybody, that's not your job. 292 00:15:18,705 --> 00:15:20,325 You're not the savior. 293 00:15:20,685 --> 00:15:26,115 And a manmade church always brings inherent problems along with 294 00:15:26,115 --> 00:15:30,195 that because of the financial difficulties in our world. 295 00:15:30,885 --> 00:15:36,435 So I, I really think that spirituality is a personal thing between you 296 00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:39,375 and God, whoever your God might be. 297 00:15:39,705 --> 00:15:43,065 And you know, to me there's one God. 298 00:15:44,370 --> 00:15:51,150 You have to really find that, and it's a journey within your life. 299 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:57,180 I remember young, being young, and I would go from church to church 300 00:15:57,990 --> 00:16:03,240 looking for, well, what's inside this building that everybody needs? 301 00:16:03,270 --> 00:16:08,579 Why are they a, a congregation, if you will? 302 00:16:08,969 --> 00:16:16,260 Why does everybody have to feel this is meant for you, this is meant for 303 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:23,670 me, but on the other hand, we have all these different, uh, denominations. 304 00:16:24,210 --> 00:16:26,670 So there's a division there also. 305 00:16:27,540 --> 00:16:36,180 So when we talk religion, I, I really get hung up on it when people want 306 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:38,460 to say, You have to go to church. 307 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:42,300 To me, you are in church every day. 308 00:16:43,425 --> 00:16:48,915 And you're responsible for your actions every day, every minute of the day, 309 00:16:49,755 --> 00:16:56,295 and it's really about owning up to your responsibility as a human being. 310 00:16:56,985 --> 00:16:58,575 You're not gonna be perfect. 311 00:16:58,665 --> 00:17:01,305 But if you make a mistake, it's all right. 312 00:17:02,490 --> 00:17:08,460 And knowing that, you have to be accountable for your actions. 313 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:15,839 I really think that finding that truth beyond religion is where 314 00:17:15,899 --> 00:17:17,550 you're going to find comfort. 315 00:17:18,510 --> 00:17:20,730 What do you think about that, Richard? 316 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:24,300 I'd like to talk about, uh, the, the, the religion. 317 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,175 I don't talk too much about religion because it's not a 318 00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:27,795 religious thing that I do. 319 00:17:27,795 --> 00:17:31,995 But there's, there's I, about, I'd like to mention about God and Jesus for just, for, 320 00:17:31,995 --> 00:17:35,985 for a moment to give you an understanding of how I came about my, my whole idea. 321 00:17:36,465 --> 00:17:38,955 Um, I, I used to think there was good and evil. 322 00:17:39,045 --> 00:17:40,425 I really believed there was good and evil. 323 00:17:40,475 --> 00:17:43,095 You know, that Satan's out to get us and he, he's trying to tempt us. 324 00:17:43,095 --> 00:17:44,085 It's always good and evil. 325 00:17:44,085 --> 00:17:46,065 And I like the concept that, that, that 326 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,570 God lives within us, the King of God, God king, kingdom of God is within us. 327 00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:52,860 It's not out there in the clouds. 328 00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:56,160 Not some guy dressed like a Thor sitting in, in a, in an armchair 329 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,210 in the clouds looking down here. 330 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:58,530 It's actually inside us. 331 00:17:58,530 --> 00:18:00,990 It's in our imagination that we're the image of God. 332 00:18:00,990 --> 00:18:01,830 We are the I am. 333 00:18:01,890 --> 00:18:05,550 If we, anytime I use the words I am, I'm invoking God in my life. 334 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:11,024 So if I'm saying I am depressed, and I am PTSD, and I am hated and no one likes 335 00:18:11,024 --> 00:18:13,815 me, I am inviting that into my life. 336 00:18:13,905 --> 00:18:17,655 I am creating that scenario and manifesting that into my life. 337 00:18:17,655 --> 00:18:20,145 So I have to watch how I use God's name. 338 00:18:20,655 --> 00:18:23,345 So I need to be saying, even though I'm feeling, it's like, I am 339 00:18:23,565 --> 00:18:25,095 gloriously happy, joyous and free. 340 00:18:25,770 --> 00:18:28,530 And if I say it enough, it, I'll manifest that. 341 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:30,090 So I will change. 342 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:33,630 It's like that miracle, we said changing, we said changing what we say, everything 343 00:18:33,630 --> 00:18:35,250 starts changing first, you know? 344 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,520 But the, the guy who built out of the, the talk about the guy who built the San 345 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,510 Francisco Bridge, he had an idea first. 346 00:18:40,810 --> 00:18:43,800 He imagined what the bridge would look like, and he had its idea in his head 347 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,190 and found that he drew plans, and now that, then they got the, the bridge. 348 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,230 But the bridge came out with someone's imagination. 349 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:52,050 And everything in our lives comes from someone's imagination. 350 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:54,480 So if we wanna have a good life, we have to imagine a good life. 351 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,950 So there's a practice called the dream Prayer, and it's basically manifestation. 352 00:18:59,340 --> 00:19:03,150 When you go to bed at night, there's a time just before you sleep when your, 353 00:19:03,335 --> 00:19:05,340 your, your conscious mind switches off. 354 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,370 And in that moment, you can dream a dream. 355 00:19:09,044 --> 00:19:11,715 And dream the most beautiful dream you can think of, of the future, 356 00:19:12,075 --> 00:19:13,125 but as though it's happened already. 357 00:19:14,264 --> 00:19:18,075 It's your dream of how you're, you've got rid of your trauma memory and it's gone. 358 00:19:18,465 --> 00:19:21,405 And you're a normal person where you can fit in with your family and go to a 359 00:19:21,405 --> 00:19:23,325 party and feel comfortable and relaxed 360 00:19:23,325 --> 00:19:26,205 talking about the mundane, stupid things that normal people talk about. 361 00:19:26,625 --> 00:19:29,500 That they can talk about and have a long conversation, relaxed. 362 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,075 Where we're all hyper about the poor me, what happened to me. 363 00:19:32,550 --> 00:19:35,820 To be relaxed and comfortable in that space or public speaking, as yourself, 364 00:19:36,030 --> 00:19:39,540 speaking publicly at an event where you're calm and you're confident. 365 00:19:39,780 --> 00:19:42,180 And you have this dream prayer going to bed for about five or 366 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:43,580 ten minutes you do every night. 367 00:19:43,770 --> 00:19:45,960 And then every time you have a free moment, like you're driving 368 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,110 the car, or you're sitting on the toilet, you go back and revisit 369 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:50,010 the dream as though it's happened. 370 00:19:50,610 --> 00:19:53,520 And the idea behind a dream prayer is, God hears you having this dream. 371 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:57,050 He believes it must have happened already so He makes it happen in your life. 372 00:19:57,050 --> 00:19:58,620 And He manifests it, He creates it. 373 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:02,200 And certainly the event comes down with your public speaking and you find you're 374 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,840 an ace, you coach your family too, and you're not all uptight over yourself. 375 00:20:06,899 --> 00:20:08,490 You are able to enjoy the conversation. 376 00:20:08,490 --> 00:20:13,291 You realize, I've had this dream, I dreamed this dream in, in, in 377 00:20:13,295 --> 00:20:14,639 the future and it, it's come about. 378 00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:17,340 This, a dream prayer is, it's basically manifestation. 379 00:20:17,610 --> 00:20:21,480 If we learn to dream prayer, we can create whatever we want in our lives. 380 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,919 So that was the first part of it. 381 00:20:23,804 --> 00:20:27,975 The second part was to, to, to, for me, I had to accept that 382 00:20:27,975 --> 00:20:30,344 there's no Satan, there's no evil. 383 00:20:30,764 --> 00:20:33,375 That God is responsible for everything, good and bad. 384 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:38,010 And everything I go through, He, He, it's like the book of Job. 385 00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:40,740 If you ever read the book of Job in, in the Bible, it's, 386 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,540 it's, yeah, it's powerful. 387 00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:44,710 This guy had everything and then everything was taken from him. 388 00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:48,030 And then there's, they're talking about Satan tempts and to see if he really 389 00:20:48,030 --> 00:20:49,570 loves God and he does all this to him. 390 00:20:49,570 --> 00:20:52,200 And at the end of it, God says, I let this happen because I 391 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,460 wanted to make you stronger. 392 00:20:53,670 --> 00:20:56,050 And I'm gonna give you back your ten wives and your twenty children, 393 00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:58,170 and multiply it by tenfold. 394 00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:59,440 I like that concept. 395 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,750 But the fact that everything that happened to me, I went through my 396 00:21:02,835 --> 00:21:08,145 sexual abuse, um, addiction, terrible bullying in school, really very bad 397 00:21:08,145 --> 00:21:09,255 bullying where I suffered in school. 398 00:21:09,255 --> 00:21:12,700 Was horrific bullying that would've killed an elephant, would've flawed an elephant. 399 00:21:13,275 --> 00:21:17,295 But I survived all these horrific things in my childhood, and then into 400 00:21:17,295 --> 00:21:21,895 breakups and rejection, and bullying again as an adult, and all this kind 401 00:21:21,945 --> 00:21:24,620 of stuff, and not being misunderstood. 402 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,255 All this kind of stuff that happened to me on my journey. 403 00:21:27,765 --> 00:21:31,770 And certainly here I am, sixty-two years of age, married with two teenage, 404 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:35,340 well, I keep saying teenage children, two young adults going to university, 405 00:21:35,639 --> 00:21:40,860 on Ed Watters Dead America Podcast, creating a trauma program helping 406 00:21:40,860 --> 00:21:42,990 people break free of a past trauma. 407 00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:47,100 And I wouldn't be here today if I hadn't suffered all those things in the past. 408 00:21:47,159 --> 00:21:48,420 And I saw myself suffering them. 409 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,350 God gave me each of these challenges to make me the person I am today. 410 00:21:53,205 --> 00:21:57,855 I couldn't see it all along, I thought Satan's at, at me, or evil's at me, or 411 00:21:58,004 --> 00:22:02,205 someone's trying to block me from God, or you know, trying to stump me, whatever. 412 00:22:02,475 --> 00:22:04,665 And looking back, I see there's no Satan. 413 00:22:05,085 --> 00:22:09,655 God wants to make me stronger by suffering all these events, so I become stronger. 414 00:22:10,185 --> 00:22:12,525 But what I went through would have flawed an, flawed an elephant. 415 00:22:12,764 --> 00:22:15,675 I really believe another, another child would've probably killed 416 00:22:15,675 --> 00:22:19,000 themselves than go through what I went through, I, I suffered some 417 00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:19,919 horrific stuff. 418 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:21,770 I don't wanna trigger anybody by talking about it. 419 00:22:22,169 --> 00:22:23,550 I don't like talking about what happened in the past, I 420 00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:24,419 don't wanna trigger anybody. 421 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,070 So now when I work with a client, I tell the client, we don't want 422 00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:29,129 to talk about what happened to you. 423 00:22:29,639 --> 00:22:31,139 The other person's going to heal you. 424 00:22:31,740 --> 00:22:34,750 What we do is we, we label what happened for every person that's been, one 425 00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:36,419 label, that's a loss of innocence. 426 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:39,720 So twelve years of age, I suffered a trauma event that 427 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,840 caused me a loss of innocence. 428 00:22:41,540 --> 00:22:45,825 Thirteen to nineteen in boarding school, I suffered numerous losses of innocence. 429 00:22:46,575 --> 00:22:49,755 Nineteen to twenty-five in early relationships and being dumped 430 00:22:49,755 --> 00:22:52,575 and being made a fool of, I suffered a loss of innocence. 431 00:22:52,575 --> 00:22:56,115 And then twenty-five to thirty-five, again, bullying in the workplace, 432 00:22:56,115 --> 00:22:57,075 that kind of stuff, I suffered. 433 00:22:57,405 --> 00:22:58,615 So it's all a loss of innocence. 434 00:22:58,635 --> 00:23:02,145 So we can't compare our trauma with anybody else, that's 435 00:23:02,145 --> 00:23:03,010 the worst thing we can do. 436 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,940 And if you tell people about your trauma, they'll judgment 437 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:07,440 against what they've heard before. 438 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,620 Again, it's, so you just label that thing as a loss of innocence. 439 00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:14,460 And my loss of innocence, and so maybe if you were a veteran and, and you 440 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:17,320 look back at your, your younger self at the age of eighteen, enlisted to 441 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:21,300 fight in, in the armed forces in, in a foreign war, their loss of innocence 442 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:22,680 is whatever happened in the war. 443 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:26,550 It's just called the loss of innocence, before they, before they grew up 444 00:23:26,904 --> 00:23:28,884 knowing that man couldn't harm man. 445 00:23:28,914 --> 00:23:32,364 And then they experienced an event with some men performing horrors on other 446 00:23:32,364 --> 00:23:34,164 men, that was their loss of innocence. 447 00:23:34,465 --> 00:23:35,604 Mine was a sexual one. 448 00:23:35,784 --> 00:23:38,004 Someone else might have married into a narcissistic abusive relationship, 449 00:23:38,184 --> 00:23:39,684 that's their loss of innocence. 450 00:23:39,985 --> 00:23:41,914 We just use the label loss of innocence. 451 00:23:42,504 --> 00:23:43,705 I know what that means to me. 452 00:23:43,914 --> 00:23:47,424 So I'm not feeling threatened or triggered by saying loss of innocence because 453 00:23:47,424 --> 00:23:48,524 I know exactly what it was for me. 454 00:23:48,524 --> 00:23:51,475 When you say loss of innocence, you're not comparing with me. 455 00:23:52,169 --> 00:23:54,000 You know exactly what your loss of innocence was. 456 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,215 And same with someone else who, who was, who was a veteran, someone else who was in 457 00:23:57,220 --> 00:24:02,639 a relationship, someone else who saw 9/11, they just labeled it a loss of innocence. 458 00:24:02,730 --> 00:24:05,700 And by admitting a loss of innocence, they're not triggered, they're 459 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:06,960 not going back into the trauma. 460 00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:08,970 It's just a loss of innocence, you know? 461 00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:13,020 So that's the idea with the God thing, it's a case of if we can accept that 462 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:18,720 God's in charge of everything, then it, it helps us to, to break free of this. 463 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,545 Because we realize what happened in the past was part of my learning curve, 464 00:24:23,115 --> 00:24:24,834 was part to make me stronger today. 465 00:24:24,965 --> 00:24:27,735 But it isn't meant to define me, who I am today. 466 00:24:29,385 --> 00:24:32,865 So what happened in the past is not my job to get, get vengeance for, get 467 00:24:32,865 --> 00:24:34,575 justice for, it didn't happen to me. 468 00:24:35,685 --> 00:24:37,815 But like me getting vengeance or justice for you, having 469 00:24:37,815 --> 00:24:39,045 your leg broken by some fellow. 470 00:24:39,645 --> 00:24:40,695 That happened to you, didn't happened to me. 471 00:24:40,695 --> 00:24:41,774 You can fight your own battles. 472 00:24:41,774 --> 00:24:44,865 Not for me to go around fighting Ed Watter's battles 'cause he, 473 00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:45,945 he was attacked and mocked, 474 00:24:46,274 --> 00:24:46,995 none of my business. 475 00:24:46,995 --> 00:24:47,774 I can cheer for you. 476 00:24:48,209 --> 00:24:50,860 It didn't happen to me in the same way it happened to a twelve-year-old 477 00:24:50,879 --> 00:24:52,260 child, didn't happen to me. 478 00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:53,674 The thirteen-year-old child or the eighteen-year-old 479 00:24:53,697 --> 00:24:55,290 child, didn't happen to me. 480 00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:59,040 It happened to other people and I have to stop fighting their battles. 481 00:24:59,189 --> 00:25:01,050 And they don't even want me to fight their battles. 482 00:25:01,169 --> 00:25:03,360 They're thinking, What the fuck are you doing coming in 483 00:25:03,629 --> 00:25:04,770 trying to fight my battles? 484 00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:05,189 You go off. 485 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:09,449 I've sacrificed so much so that you'll be free today to have a life with your 486 00:25:09,449 --> 00:25:13,500 wife and your children, and Ed Watters, and, and everyone else in your life. 487 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,959 Would you please fuck off and leave your life and stop coming back 488 00:25:15,959 --> 00:25:20,804 into the past and taking my shit and giving it life in the future. 489 00:25:22,784 --> 00:25:24,435 That's kind of the idea behind this. 490 00:25:25,845 --> 00:25:26,205 Yeah. 491 00:25:26,385 --> 00:25:33,284 So you talk about there can be no effect when the cause is removed. 492 00:25:33,375 --> 00:25:36,254 That, that's basically what you're outlining right there 493 00:25:36,254 --> 00:25:37,245 then, cause and effect. 494 00:25:40,014 --> 00:25:40,470 Yeah, yeah. 495 00:25:42,030 --> 00:25:42,720 Well, that's the science. 496 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,720 Science tells us that if, if, if, if there's no cause, then 497 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:47,159 there can't be an effect. 498 00:25:47,159 --> 00:25:51,540 If you, if you look at modern, modern, uh, therapy today, we treat the effect. 499 00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:57,360 We treat people for PTSD, or depression, or, you know, or any condition, 500 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:01,410 any disorder that's, the disorder, but not the cause of the disorder. 501 00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:05,640 You know, if, if we're treating the, the disorder, not the cause of it, we're 502 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,870 gonna be treating the disorder forever. 503 00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:09,450 We've got something like, in this day and age, there's something like, in 504 00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:14,010 the last eighty years, we've got 1.4 billion people diagnosed with PTSD. 505 00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:16,390 That's nearly a quarter of the world's population. 506 00:26:16,530 --> 00:26:18,480 Another eighty years, it's gonna be half of the population. 507 00:26:19,170 --> 00:26:21,310 We're treating the effect and not the cause. 508 00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:24,050 But if I treat your cause, so if I work with you, Ed, and I get you 509 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:27,220 to give your past back to, to your young seventeen-year-old Ed, or young 510 00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:31,189 twelve-year-old Ed, and you have this spiritual experience of outer body, 511 00:26:31,189 --> 00:26:33,919 you see it giving it back to your young Ed and young Ed saying, Thank 512 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:35,120 you for giving my shit back, Ed. 513 00:26:35,399 --> 00:26:37,050 I'm gonna fuck off and leave this plane of existence. 514 00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:39,530 And they leave the plane of existence and you feel the weight leaving your body. 515 00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:42,689 But once it's gone, it's like, all this stuff you've been doing with 516 00:26:42,689 --> 00:26:45,779 your therapist for the last ten years certainly is no longer, let me ask 517 00:26:45,779 --> 00:26:46,919 you, How does that make you feel? 518 00:26:47,009 --> 00:26:48,600 Sorry, it's nothing to do with me. 519 00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:50,729 What happened to Ed's leg has nothing to do with me. 520 00:26:50,729 --> 00:26:52,199 It doesn't make me feel anything, you know? 521 00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:54,999 It's not, what happened to my younger self doesn't affect me, it has 522 00:26:54,999 --> 00:26:56,069 nothing to do with my life today. 523 00:26:56,069 --> 00:27:00,809 My life is the sixteen hours with my wife and my teenage, adult children. 524 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:02,754 And my mother-in-law and the dog, you know? 525 00:27:03,089 --> 00:27:07,110 And when we can separate from the past, with the cause gone, there's 526 00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:08,199 no longer any reason for the effect. 527 00:27:08,199 --> 00:27:12,120 So then we did the twelve step program of trauma, recovering from 528 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,784 doing all that learned behavior. 529 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:20,789 Yeah, I, I kind of like the, uh, K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. 530 00:27:21,389 --> 00:27:27,479 Because when we, when we really keep it simple instead of piling all of these 531 00:27:27,479 --> 00:27:34,195 thoughts and traumas on top of us every day when we wake up in the morning and 532 00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:40,495 our feet hit the floor, it's your choice every day how you want to, number one, 533 00:27:40,735 --> 00:27:43,794 respond to anything that comes your way. 534 00:27:44,394 --> 00:27:52,915 And number two, how, how are you going to make your day better? 535 00:27:53,634 --> 00:27:59,455 Because if, if we wake up and something automatically triggers us, 536 00:28:00,135 --> 00:28:05,445 we have to work on trying to make the day better from the very first 537 00:28:05,745 --> 00:28:08,685 instance of whatever triggers us. 538 00:28:09,465 --> 00:28:17,594 How do we, how do we locate and identify our trigger points so we can be on top 539 00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:24,600 of those negative feelings that those trigger points can actually put us into? 540 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,889 Sorry for smiling, I love these questions that, they're, they're, they're wonderful. 541 00:28:28,934 --> 00:28:31,454 I, I wish I could think of these questions before and then give 'em to you and say, 542 00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:33,629 Ask this question, Ed, when we get there. 543 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,039 But like, you're coming up with these questions that are 544 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,329 just mind blowingly wonderful. 545 00:28:36,329 --> 00:28:38,370 You know, very simple, but, but very astute. 546 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,329 So the, the thing is we have to understand, if the past didn't happen 547 00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:45,090 to us, then we can't let it trigger us. 548 00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:48,539 So all the, we could do a list of all the things that were triggered 549 00:28:48,539 --> 00:28:50,655 from and say, None of my business. 550 00:28:50,655 --> 00:28:51,405 None of my business. 551 00:28:51,945 --> 00:28:55,875 Again, I have to be very careful here because you, you can't just say to 552 00:28:55,875 --> 00:28:57,375 somebody, Okay, it didn't happen to you. 553 00:28:57,375 --> 00:28:58,395 Ignore it, let it go. 554 00:28:58,425 --> 00:29:01,195 Because if you, if that is how you've defined yourself for the last ten 555 00:29:01,215 --> 00:29:04,695 or twenty years and you, you become your identity and you're going to the 556 00:29:04,695 --> 00:29:08,784 support groups on it, maybe the veteran support group, or the narcissists 557 00:29:08,804 --> 00:29:11,834 support group, or the, and you've been a member of that group and you've been a 558 00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:15,764 speaker of that group and a voice and a chairperson and all that kind of stuff, 559 00:29:16,215 --> 00:29:19,590 and suddenly I say to you, Yeah, this didn't happen to you, walk away, it 560 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:24,030 can be very hard to walk away from your identity if your identity has been victim. 561 00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:26,010 It's nearly impossible. 562 00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:29,970 It, it really, so this is the big challenge we have because the 563 00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:32,565 whole world says, You're a victim. 564 00:29:32,775 --> 00:29:33,885 Celebrate victimhood. 565 00:29:34,035 --> 00:29:38,805 I mean, social welfare give you all these benefits for the veterans, for PTSD, 566 00:29:38,805 --> 00:29:40,395 and for all these different conditions. 567 00:29:40,545 --> 00:29:45,075 And a part of that life of veteran is you get all this social welfare benefits for 568 00:29:45,285 --> 00:29:49,485 PTSD and therapy and, and all this kind of stuff you have coming on top of it. 569 00:29:49,485 --> 00:29:53,925 And there's a huge, and there's a huge dependence upon the state to 570 00:29:53,925 --> 00:29:57,524 remain in that status, you know? 571 00:29:57,764 --> 00:30:01,274 It, it kind of stops you from being a normal person in a job doing nine to 572 00:30:01,274 --> 00:30:03,125 five if you don't have to ever work. 573 00:30:03,125 --> 00:30:05,955 Because now you're getting all this social welfare benefits, that means you 574 00:30:05,955 --> 00:30:10,725 need to never work and you can be retired as part of a really strong, supportive 575 00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,914 network of support groups kind of stuff. 576 00:30:13,245 --> 00:30:15,344 But you lose yourself, your sense of self. 577 00:30:15,975 --> 00:30:18,495 But the payoff is almost like, okay. 578 00:30:18,495 --> 00:30:20,114 And I'm not knocking veterans. 579 00:30:20,205 --> 00:30:24,824 I think any, anyone who's served their country at any level should 580 00:30:24,824 --> 00:30:29,245 be entitled to all that social welfare, whether they stay as 581 00:30:31,254 --> 00:30:34,154 a, as someone who's been damaged or they recover. 582 00:30:34,544 --> 00:30:37,935 So if you've been diagnosed with PTSD and you are receiving benefits, and 583 00:30:37,935 --> 00:30:40,394 then you do this program and you, and you're healed, you should still be, 584 00:30:40,394 --> 00:30:43,725 receive those benefits the rest of your life because you've volunteered 585 00:30:43,935 --> 00:30:45,104 to be of service to your country. 586 00:30:46,274 --> 00:30:48,824 I don't think they should say, Well, if you stop doing PTSD, 587 00:30:48,824 --> 00:30:49,754 you lose all that income. 588 00:30:50,745 --> 00:30:53,715 I think anyone who gives their life to, for the benefit of their, of their, 589 00:30:53,719 --> 00:30:58,665 their, of their, their country or the world, Army, Navy, Air Force, police, 590 00:30:58,814 --> 00:31:03,705 emergency workers, nurses, doctors, if you serve your country or your, 591 00:31:03,794 --> 00:31:06,901 your world with distinction and you suffer for it, you should be able to 592 00:31:06,901 --> 00:31:07,935 have it for the rest of your days. 593 00:31:08,715 --> 00:31:12,520 You can still get a job, but you don't lose the benefit of, we're not paying you 594 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,659 just for the, for the years you worked in the Army, we're gonna pay you for the 595 00:31:15,659 --> 00:31:19,050 rest of your life because you gave up your years, your good years for the Army, or 596 00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:20,820 the Navy, or the Air Force, or emergency. 597 00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:25,020 We're gonna continue to pay you long after, till the day you die. 598 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:27,450 We're gonna make certain you need never work again if you don't want to. 599 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:30,480 But if you do want to work, you still get this benefit as well. 600 00:31:30,629 --> 00:31:33,149 We're gonna readjust your tax, we're gonna increase your insurance. 601 00:31:33,629 --> 00:31:37,320 So that's what I believe should happen to anyone who's been diagnosed with PTSD. 602 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,950 So 1.4 billion people out there diagnosed with PTSD. 603 00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:43,680 If you kick your PTSD, you should still get those payments 604 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,640 for the rest of your life. 605 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,990 That's something I feel very strongly, but it, it's not my, my position to say. 606 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:51,600 But I want you to know, I understand it can be scary. 607 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,030 The idea if I clear my PTSD, I'm gonna lose all these payments and I haven't 608 00:31:57,030 --> 00:31:59,950 worked in twenty years and I've been dependent on state for twenty years. 609 00:31:59,950 --> 00:32:03,870 So certainly I'm going to step out of that comfort zone and try and find a job. 610 00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:07,470 And there's no jobs going, and I'd be kicked out of my, my, my home, 611 00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:10,639 or where I have my, my wellbeing or my welfare, you know, I'll lose 612 00:32:10,639 --> 00:32:12,120 all my, my network of friends. 613 00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:13,050 It's almost safer. 614 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,760 The pain we know is safer than the pain we don't know, that's 615 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:18,899 the biggest problem we have. 616 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,100 For anyone with a condition, it's safer to stay in the pain you know. 617 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,780 Uh, a friend of mine in AA, a veteran of, uh, Korea, lovely man, it's 618 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,580 one of my sponsors I have in AA, eighty-seven years of age, he is. 619 00:32:35,879 --> 00:32:37,080 And he spoke about the fact that 620 00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:42,647 if he did this program, and he, he wouldn't do it because if he did this 621 00:32:42,647 --> 00:32:45,570 program he'd have to get, he'd have, he'd lose all his benefits and all of his, 622 00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:48,074 and he's too old to get a job. 623 00:32:48,165 --> 00:32:51,854 He's too old to try and find something to live without the 624 00:32:51,854 --> 00:32:54,254 support, and that's a huge problem. 625 00:32:54,854 --> 00:32:58,185 You know, I, I would love to see some government, Donald Trump is god 626 00:32:58,185 --> 00:33:02,054 saying anyone who's ever served this country gets their social welfare 627 00:33:02,084 --> 00:33:04,185 for life, whatever happens, you know? 628 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,610 I think that would be, hands down, the first thing they should do is say, anyone 629 00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:12,270 who has served their country, Army, Navy, personnel, ambulance, emergency 630 00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:17,844 workers, social welfare, social carers, whatever, walking the, the, the, the 631 00:33:17,844 --> 00:33:21,719 human, the, the, these super crossing with this, for kids walking across 632 00:33:21,719 --> 00:33:23,040 the road, school wardens, whatever. 633 00:33:23,745 --> 00:33:28,425 Whatever your situation is, you get social welfare for life on top of you got a job. 634 00:33:28,665 --> 00:33:32,655 And we reduce your tax on your job so you'd be, never have to run for anything. 635 00:33:32,835 --> 00:33:35,415 I think on a, on a, on a, on a, that should happen. 636 00:33:35,415 --> 00:33:38,475 I'm not American, so I don't have a say in your country, but that's 637 00:33:38,475 --> 00:33:39,315 what I'd love to see happen. 638 00:33:39,315 --> 00:33:41,415 And if anyone is to do anything, Donald Trump's the one who would do it and I 639 00:33:41,415 --> 00:33:42,990 wish he would do something like that. 640 00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:45,585 So anyway, that's what I need to say first and foremost. 641 00:33:45,585 --> 00:33:50,550 Because it's, the idea of saying to someone with PTSD or depression, Let's 642 00:33:50,610 --> 00:33:54,540 cure you of the past trauma memory and then you can be free of your depression 643 00:33:54,540 --> 00:33:56,580 and PTSD, there's a catch in this. 644 00:33:56,810 --> 00:34:01,200 Because if they're free of the PTSD, they may feel, the people I've worked with, 645 00:34:01,205 --> 00:34:07,170 with PTSD, they're the most honorable people I've known that can't live a lie. 646 00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:10,980 They can't claim PTSD benefits if they don't have PTSD. 647 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,389 You know what I mean? 648 00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:15,120 They're not someone who would be willing to cheat the system 649 00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,624 even though the system doesn't take care of them. 650 00:34:17,624 --> 00:34:21,705 They've, they've got loads of morals and honor that they wouldn't dream 651 00:34:21,705 --> 00:34:26,234 of, I think most young men who go off and fight in the war are this 652 00:34:26,234 --> 00:34:31,484 very moral, kind of honorable young people who suffer the horrors of war. 653 00:34:31,844 --> 00:34:35,745 And then they, they, they still have their morals and their ethics about them 654 00:34:35,984 --> 00:34:39,884 and they wouldn't dream of committing any crime or, you know, that kind of stuff. 655 00:34:39,944 --> 00:34:43,304 And so you, you're talking about doing this program and in two hours 656 00:34:43,304 --> 00:34:44,909 having your trauma memory gone. 657 00:34:45,405 --> 00:34:48,165 Do the twelve step program, have your PTSD gone, and step 658 00:34:48,165 --> 00:34:49,784 back into, into the human race. 659 00:34:49,784 --> 00:34:52,155 It's almost like, the price is too high. 660 00:34:53,685 --> 00:34:55,395 Yeah, yeah. 661 00:34:55,395 --> 00:34:58,965 It's kind of interesting. 662 00:34:59,265 --> 00:35:08,115 You know, we, we think about trauma a lot in our lives and it, it's really one of 663 00:35:08,115 --> 00:35:12,375 those big highlights that get overlooked. 664 00:35:12,915 --> 00:35:19,754 You know, uh, we, we, we find a solution, and that's the answer. 665 00:35:20,115 --> 00:35:23,504 And it's, it's one fits all. 666 00:35:23,625 --> 00:35:32,310 And, and I, I think we really need to reexamine that whole mindset of how 667 00:35:32,415 --> 00:35:34,845 we look at trauma in the first place. 668 00:35:34,845 --> 00:35:41,565 Because like you stated a little earlier in your conversation, my trauma is not 669 00:35:41,565 --> 00:35:47,145 the same as somebody else's, your trauma is not the same as somebody else's. 670 00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:54,645 So we all kinda live our lives and we experience traumas 671 00:35:54,675 --> 00:35:57,915 daily, but they're not the same. 672 00:35:58,065 --> 00:36:02,715 And we really have to remember that in a lot of the ways. 673 00:36:03,435 --> 00:36:07,725 Let's talk a little bit about your program, Richard. 674 00:36:08,714 --> 00:36:13,845 What is it and how did you actually come up with it? 675 00:36:16,305 --> 00:36:16,665 Okay. 676 00:36:17,174 --> 00:36:18,075 Thank you, again. 677 00:36:18,285 --> 00:36:19,274 I'm loving these questions. 678 00:36:19,665 --> 00:36:23,654 Uh, I got to work in, in an addiction center in Chiang Mai in Thailand. 679 00:36:23,865 --> 00:36:24,765 Can I mention the name? 680 00:36:27,259 --> 00:36:30,855 Uh, it's called The Cabin, it's the first addiction center in Asia. 681 00:36:31,185 --> 00:36:34,305 Uh, a group of four, uh, English lads that got together and organized 682 00:36:34,305 --> 00:36:35,955 the center, and a huge success. 683 00:36:36,075 --> 00:36:37,785 At one stage, it was 120 beds. 684 00:36:38,145 --> 00:36:39,855 The biggest center probably in the world. 685 00:36:40,274 --> 00:36:43,095 A huge success rate with, with, with addiction primarily. 686 00:36:43,095 --> 00:36:46,154 And I, I worked as a support staff and then I, 'cause I, I'd done, 687 00:36:46,725 --> 00:36:51,524 uh, practice like EFT and Reiki and whatever, I got to change over 688 00:36:51,524 --> 00:36:53,774 to a, uh, holistic practitioner. 689 00:36:54,075 --> 00:36:59,465 To huge, and getting work from clients and also holding, uh, twelve, twelve, 690 00:37:00,175 --> 00:37:02,745 twelve step spaces and, and the likes. 691 00:37:02,745 --> 00:37:05,705 And I got to run some meditation groups and I really enjoyed it, 692 00:37:05,705 --> 00:37:06,915 it was really, really powerful. 693 00:37:07,275 --> 00:37:12,345 And when I got to working with clients, and I got to work with clients who, I 694 00:37:12,345 --> 00:37:18,045 think because the center primarily looked at addiction, there were some clients kind 695 00:37:18,045 --> 00:37:21,765 of slipping through the cracks and they felt it'd be a good idea to give them a, 696 00:37:21,765 --> 00:37:24,495 a, an induction to, to holistic practices. 697 00:37:25,035 --> 00:37:27,465 Maybe that would give them some, they weren't there for addiction. 698 00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:30,089 They're more there for trauma or that kinda stuff. 699 00:37:30,089 --> 00:37:34,979 So they tried different breath like TRE, and Miseph, and other Reiki, and whatever, 700 00:37:35,399 --> 00:37:37,109 just something that might help them. 701 00:37:37,379 --> 00:37:38,819 And they got to try some different things. 702 00:37:38,819 --> 00:37:42,180 And I got to work with about, about a hundred clients. 703 00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:45,569 I had huge success, absolutely fantastic success with, with them 704 00:37:45,569 --> 00:37:47,520 all using this healing event. 705 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,950 So the idea of the healing event is, it's basically a 706 00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:51,720 visualization, it's all holistic. 707 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,640 First of all, I need, need to probably, I stand, I, I hold 708 00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,955 really strong in my mind is I think there's two forms of mental illness. 709 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,880 In my early, early years, I had two mental health professionals who worked 710 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,420 with me, and they were the most kind, caring, loving, empathetic people. 711 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,560 They were really powerful. 712 00:38:10,890 --> 00:38:13,860 And now I think mental health professionals are qualified to 713 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:16,860 work with mental illness, and I'm not a mental health professional. 714 00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:18,740 I couldn't help you when it comes to mental health, it's 715 00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:19,500 a matter out of my depth. 716 00:38:19,529 --> 00:38:20,160 I couldn't help you. 717 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,370 But I believe that mental disorders are caused by us 718 00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:25,080 bringing the past into the present. 719 00:38:26,205 --> 00:38:29,055 They cause a dysregulation in our thinking and in our feeling, whatever. 720 00:38:29,055 --> 00:38:30,884 And that's what a disorder is. 721 00:38:30,884 --> 00:38:33,495 Whereas a mental illness is something that you're born with, or you 722 00:38:33,495 --> 00:38:36,674 suffer in an accident, or something happens that affects your brain. 723 00:38:37,515 --> 00:38:40,095 So mental health professionals are qualified and they go to college 724 00:38:40,095 --> 00:38:41,234 to learn how to deal with that. 725 00:38:41,834 --> 00:38:44,745 But the mental disorders, that's why life coaches, and holistic 726 00:38:44,745 --> 00:38:49,275 practitioners, and cognitive therapists can all help with mental disorder. 727 00:38:49,275 --> 00:38:52,124 Because it's, it's a dysregulation of our emotions and our feelings 728 00:38:53,174 --> 00:38:54,285 and our thought patterns. 729 00:38:54,674 --> 00:38:57,615 And that's why so many people can help in this regard. 730 00:38:58,125 --> 00:39:02,265 So my idea was that, well, again, if it's cause and effect, and if we can get rid of 731 00:39:02,265 --> 00:39:06,435 the cause, well, then like a twelve step program like AA would be fantastic if you 732 00:39:06,435 --> 00:39:08,775 create a twelve step program for trauma. 733 00:39:09,165 --> 00:39:13,515 To do the twelve steps to get rid of the, the learned behaviors of depression, 734 00:39:13,515 --> 00:39:16,185 PTSD, whatever that disorder you have is. 735 00:39:17,385 --> 00:39:18,315 They're learned behaviors. 736 00:39:18,555 --> 00:39:21,765 When, when we're suffering with something like PTSD or depression, our 737 00:39:21,765 --> 00:39:25,365 behavior towards our family and friends become distorted and dysfunctional. 738 00:39:25,725 --> 00:39:27,885 We're pushing people away who are trying to get close to us, who love us. 739 00:39:28,035 --> 00:39:31,215 Because we're so scared of empathy and kindness that we're hurting the 740 00:39:31,255 --> 00:39:33,920 people we love and we're getting divorced from our wives and husbands. 741 00:39:34,575 --> 00:39:35,595 And that's all that learned behavior 742 00:39:35,595 --> 00:39:37,095 we have to change. 743 00:39:37,395 --> 00:39:41,145 So we do a twelve step program similar to the twelve steps of AA, but different. 744 00:39:41,415 --> 00:39:44,595 But it helps us to undo all that learned behavior that was 745 00:39:44,595 --> 00:39:46,015 so dysfunctional in our lives. 746 00:39:46,375 --> 00:39:49,575 So there's two parts, one is the healing event I call The Healing Event. 747 00:39:49,575 --> 00:39:53,505 It's, it's trauma, it's how to heal any past trauma now. 748 00:39:53,745 --> 00:39:58,365 So I take the clients to four sections of this healing event. 749 00:39:58,815 --> 00:40:01,905 The first section is Seven Foundations, Spiritual Foundation 750 00:40:01,905 --> 00:40:06,285 Stones for Performing the Seven Miracles for Changing our Attitude 751 00:40:06,285 --> 00:40:08,115 or our Perspective around the Past. 752 00:40:08,235 --> 00:40:10,935 That the past didn't happen to us, it happened to our younger self. 753 00:40:11,265 --> 00:40:12,835 And we need to give it back to our younger self. 754 00:40:13,955 --> 00:40:18,270 And those, and those seven foundations, cornerstones, we actually 755 00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:20,700 laid the foundations where we're actually ready to give it away. 756 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,200 And then the next two sections, the next one is clearing, clearing our heads of 757 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,970 the stinking thinking, faulty feelings. 758 00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:30,540 And then we have to also clean our hands of all the negative energy in our hands. 759 00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,779 In, in the Bible, Jesus healed by laying his hands on people. 760 00:40:34,479 --> 00:40:38,339 We've got so much energy blocked in our hands, you know? 761 00:40:38,339 --> 00:40:42,150 You know, that, that they talk about the thumb holds your anxiety. 762 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,490 So you suck your thumb to release your anxiety. 763 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:50,700 Your middle finger is for anger, give the middle finger, yeah. 764 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,780 So you have four fingers for fear, your ring finger's for 765 00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:56,010 sadness and grief, and the little finger's for trust and boundaries. 766 00:40:56,310 --> 00:40:59,800 The center of the palm of your hand is for panic, the side of your hand is stress. 767 00:41:00,590 --> 00:41:03,120 So there's all these emotions that get locked up in our hands, we have 768 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,160 to cleanse our hands of this energy. 769 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,220 So we do this practice also, we get rid of the energy out of our hands. 770 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,750 Clearing the, this stinking thinking, faulty in our head. 771 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:12,480 And then we get to the torso. 772 00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:16,171 We actually, in a visualization, we give the past the bag that 773 00:41:16,176 --> 00:41:17,550 we carried on our shoulders. 774 00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:20,520 We give this bag, we take it off our back and we give it to our younger 775 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,259 self and we see them taking it from us. 776 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:25,650 And in that moment we feel this release in our bodies, mentally, 777 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,560 physically, emotionally, spiritually. 778 00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:29,080 A great weight's lifted off our shoulders. 779 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,590 And in that moment you know without a shadow of a doubt 780 00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:32,850 that it's gone from your body. 781 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,470 It'll be like two hours ago you were suffering with nightmares and flashbacks, 782 00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:39,030 now you're completely in a peace of mind. 783 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,140 It takes about two hours, it's quite mind blowing when you see it happen. 784 00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:47,190 And each of these clients I worked with, I, I had a, I had a shorter version for 785 00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:50,100 about forty minutes, and at the end of the forty minutes, they would be free 786 00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:51,810 completely of the past trauma memory. 787 00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:54,345 But I hadn't got a twelve step program created. 788 00:41:54,915 --> 00:41:58,585 So I did the trauma, the healing event, but I hadn't got a twelve 789 00:41:58,585 --> 00:41:59,475 step program for follow up. 790 00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:02,755 And that, so I spent the next four years working on a twelve step program. 791 00:42:03,555 --> 00:42:07,185 And, uh, when I finally got a twelve step, and I, I looked at AA and I knew 792 00:42:07,185 --> 00:42:09,735 I couldn't use the twelve, AA twelve steps the way they were written. 793 00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:11,145 This wouldn't suit for trauma. 794 00:42:11,805 --> 00:42:13,945 And I, I looked around to see if there's any twelve step programs 795 00:42:13,965 --> 00:42:17,175 created for trauma and people were just taking the twelve steps of 796 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:19,815 AA, taking out the word alcohol and replacing it with the word trauma. 797 00:42:20,475 --> 00:42:21,294 And that wouldn't work. 798 00:42:21,294 --> 00:42:24,004 Because in, in, in AA and in other twelve step programs, 799 00:42:24,345 --> 00:42:25,874 we're abstaining from a behavior. 800 00:42:26,624 --> 00:42:30,555 We're abstaining from drink or drugs, or sex or porn, whatever it is, okay? 801 00:42:31,064 --> 00:42:33,615 But in trauma, because we've given the past back to our younger 802 00:42:33,615 --> 00:42:35,745 self, it's gone from our psyche. 803 00:42:35,745 --> 00:42:37,845 So we're not abstaining from something that we don't have anymore. 804 00:42:38,685 --> 00:42:40,544 We have the memory, we don't have the details. 805 00:42:41,055 --> 00:42:42,104 This is the crucial point. 806 00:42:42,464 --> 00:42:42,705 Um, 807 00:42:45,015 --> 00:42:47,565 we're human beings, we have every memory going back to childhood. 808 00:42:47,865 --> 00:42:49,905 You may have suppressed memories, but we have all our memories 809 00:42:49,905 --> 00:42:51,015 back to when we were a child. 810 00:42:51,225 --> 00:42:53,795 I remember at the age of eight, being in an egg and spoon race. 811 00:42:53,795 --> 00:42:56,825 I thought I was in the Olympics running down a field with an egg, an egg and 812 00:42:56,825 --> 00:42:58,965 a spoon with my friends in a race. 813 00:42:58,965 --> 00:43:00,225 You know, this kind of stuff. 814 00:43:00,225 --> 00:43:02,175 I'm sixty-three, but I remember these, I remember these events. 815 00:43:02,175 --> 00:43:03,825 Now, I don't remember the details. 816 00:43:03,825 --> 00:43:06,255 I don't remember if it was a sunny day, I don't remember if the wind was blowing, 817 00:43:07,095 --> 00:43:08,790 I don't remember if it was raining, I don't remember if I was hot and sweaty. 818 00:43:08,821 --> 00:43:11,339 But I remember I did, I ran in this egg and spoon race at the 819 00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:13,110 age of eight, or nine, or seven. 820 00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:14,160 But I don't have the details. 821 00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:18,660 When we bring a past event into the present, we carry all the details. 822 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,540 We can remember exactly the details of the event. 823 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,140 When we give the event away to our younger self, the details go. 824 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,730 And then we only have the memory of the event. 825 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:29,520 So I have the memory today of something happening to a twelve-year- old child. 826 00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:31,950 And I can tell you what it was, but I don't wanna trigger anybody. 827 00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:33,450 But I don't have the details of it. 828 00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:35,370 I, I, I don't, I just don't have them. 829 00:43:35,610 --> 00:43:36,660 They've left my psyche. 830 00:43:37,185 --> 00:43:39,660 It's almost like one minute I had all these details of what happened to the 831 00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:43,154 twelve-year-old child and I could describe them in detail, and now they're gone. 832 00:43:44,055 --> 00:43:45,255 And I can't explain how they're gone. 833 00:43:45,255 --> 00:43:48,295 But when I gave the baggage back to him, the details went with him. 834 00:43:48,855 --> 00:43:50,025 And that's what happens in the event. 835 00:43:50,025 --> 00:43:51,465 So the details gone. 836 00:43:52,245 --> 00:43:54,975 It's almost like if I talk about what happened to that child, I know I'm talking 837 00:43:54,975 --> 00:43:57,944 about that child, not what happened to me because I don't have the details. 838 00:43:57,944 --> 00:44:00,779 I can't own the details, that's the idea. 839 00:44:00,779 --> 00:44:04,350 So the event gives that away, and then we do the twelve step program to 840 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,290 clean our side of the street because we're not, we're not abstaining from 841 00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:09,270 anything because we've given it away. 842 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:10,859 Now we're just cleaning our side of the street. 843 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:13,890 Does that make sense? 844 00:44:15,509 --> 00:44:17,669 That's the whole, that's the program in, in a nutshell. 845 00:44:20,925 --> 00:44:26,325 So, so Richard, uh, when you're, when you're talking about the 846 00:44:26,325 --> 00:44:32,025 energy zones in the body, is that bringing that Reiki into your 847 00:44:33,015 --> 00:44:33,555 Yeah. 848 00:44:33,825 --> 00:44:38,715 Well, I, I, I love, uh, uh, EFT, Tapping, and Acupressure. 849 00:44:39,825 --> 00:44:43,245 They're the two that made the, the most, but again, I've got a friend of mine who 850 00:44:43,245 --> 00:44:45,435 does Tai Chi and his stuff is wonderful. 851 00:44:45,899 --> 00:44:49,080 I've got another friend of mine who's, who's a yoga instructor, and his, his 852 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,279 breathing practices are wonderful. 853 00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:53,850 I think there's so much more out there that I haven't tapped into. 854 00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:57,689 And I can see this program I've created is powerful, but I can see someone 855 00:44:57,689 --> 00:45:01,500 else coming along that has EFT, and Reiki, and Acupressure, but also has 856 00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:07,009 Tai chi and Yoga and steps into this space and creates a program that's 857 00:45:07,009 --> 00:45:08,220 even ten times better than what I have, 858 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:09,089 you know? 859 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:12,870 The one thing thing about holistic practices and spiritual practices is 860 00:45:13,439 --> 00:45:15,149 there's a huge whole frontier out there. 861 00:45:15,975 --> 00:45:18,795 I've, I've, I've created this program that works. 862 00:45:19,035 --> 00:45:20,645 Uh, it, it works, I just know it works. 863 00:45:20,715 --> 00:45:26,775 I've worked with 105 people who have all broken free of their trauma, PTSD, 864 00:45:26,775 --> 00:45:30,375 depression, whatever it was, they've, they've broken through their loss of 865 00:45:30,375 --> 00:45:33,495 innocence and they're free and living their lives now as normal people. 866 00:45:34,305 --> 00:45:37,305 So, but I know that there's people out there who could probably take 867 00:45:37,305 --> 00:45:38,865 this a step further, you know? 868 00:45:39,075 --> 00:45:41,895 I, as much as I, I say I have God in my life, I think that 869 00:45:41,895 --> 00:45:44,174 probably there's some Christian out there who could probably perform 870 00:45:44,174 --> 00:45:44,904 miracles. 871 00:45:44,924 --> 00:45:48,435 You know, who could, who could talk to you in such a way that would give you such a 872 00:45:48,435 --> 00:45:52,995 sense of calmness that after you've spoken to them you'd feel this sense of calmness. 873 00:45:52,995 --> 00:45:54,855 Like they, they've worked a miracle on you, you know? 874 00:45:54,975 --> 00:45:58,185 And again, holistic practitioners, my friends who do Tai Chi, I think if 875 00:45:58,185 --> 00:46:01,575 they could learn my stuff and their Tai Chi, they'd take it to another level. 876 00:46:02,325 --> 00:46:04,814 I have no doubt that other people can do a better job than me. 877 00:46:05,325 --> 00:46:07,995 But I know what I've done and what I've achieved so far. 878 00:46:09,044 --> 00:46:10,004 This program works. 879 00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:13,800 And if you have a past trauma memory that's, that's, that's ruling and 880 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,350 defining you and you wanna be rid of it, you do this program and 881 00:46:16,350 --> 00:46:17,850 you're free in, in three hours. 882 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,310 Interesting. 883 00:46:20,779 --> 00:46:26,049 You know, a lot of that goes back to finding that tribe that you talked about. 884 00:46:26,399 --> 00:46:29,490 You know, feeling comfort in where you are. 885 00:46:29,850 --> 00:46:34,560 That, that's really truly what we're all seeking is the comfort of where 886 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:41,880 we are and finding others in the same, maybe not same, but similar situations. 887 00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:46,035 It can really help alleviate the trauma in our lives. 888 00:46:46,035 --> 00:46:47,475 I found podcasting. 889 00:46:48,015 --> 00:46:54,314 And podcasting, I, I say, it's therapy for myself because it gives me a way 890 00:46:54,314 --> 00:47:00,495 to express myself, listen to other people express themselves, and then it 891 00:47:01,035 --> 00:47:06,375 also helps me clarify my own feelings. 892 00:47:06,705 --> 00:47:16,169 So really, I, I'm, I'm wondering, the first part of healing is to really 893 00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:18,749 find a place where you're accepted. 894 00:47:18,749 --> 00:47:20,520 Is that correct? 895 00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:24,029 I love it. 896 00:47:24,029 --> 00:47:24,330 Yeah, yeah. 897 00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:31,259 But I, I think, but what I like to think is that, is that somewhere We're having 898 00:47:31,259 --> 00:47:33,060 this podcast today, you and I, okay? 899 00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:35,640 We haven't met each other before, it's our first time working together. 900 00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:39,779 I like to think that somewhere, maybe one of your audience will 901 00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:43,800 listen to this podcast, they'll get hope for where they're from. 902 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,030 Maybe they're, they're ready to give up on life, they just have so much PTSD, and 903 00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:51,080 so many therapists and medications, and they're just ready to kill themselves. 904 00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:54,540 And I hate to use that word, but they're, they're at the end of their tether and 905 00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:57,840 they come onto this podcast and they hear this message and it gives them hope. 906 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,960 And then they go on, they embrace life, and they get past their, their 907 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,080 trauma and their PTSD, and they get to have this wonderful life. 908 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,840 And they get married, they have kids, and down the road in three or four 909 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,540 generations, one of their children creates a cure for cancer, aids. 910 00:48:10,274 --> 00:48:13,065 Now no one will ever know that you and I played our part, you know? 911 00:48:13,785 --> 00:48:16,424 We won't get the accolades or the recognition for it, but 912 00:48:16,424 --> 00:48:17,805 God will know we did our part. 913 00:48:18,375 --> 00:48:21,615 You know, maybe in four generations, someone watching this, one of your 914 00:48:21,615 --> 00:48:24,404 audience, there are children would could come up with a cure for cancer, 915 00:48:24,404 --> 00:48:27,975 aids and people talk about them and their parents and their grandparents, 916 00:48:27,975 --> 00:48:31,125 but no one will know that, me in Thailand and you in America, whatever, 917 00:48:31,335 --> 00:48:36,194 we had this podcast that, midnight in Thailand and whatever, 12 o'clock noon 918 00:48:36,194 --> 00:48:38,955 in, in America, and we played our part. 919 00:48:39,285 --> 00:48:42,645 And again, and beyond that is, you, you started this podcast. 920 00:48:42,645 --> 00:48:45,225 If you hadn't started this podcast, you wouldn't have invited me on. 921 00:48:45,585 --> 00:48:48,555 If I hadn't started this twelve step program, I wouldn't have been invited on. 922 00:48:48,944 --> 00:48:52,275 We've all done something in our lives that got us to this stage that one of 923 00:48:52,275 --> 00:48:55,815 your audience in the future will one day create a cure for cancer, aids. 924 00:48:56,234 --> 00:48:57,315 It's all connected. 925 00:48:58,290 --> 00:49:00,090 So I think that what you're doing is fantastic. 926 00:49:00,090 --> 00:49:03,090 I think the fact that you're holding this space and you're allowing people 927 00:49:03,090 --> 00:49:07,470 to come on here and share something that's just against the, the norm, like 928 00:49:07,935 --> 00:49:11,130 I, I, I, I mean, I can't, I can't speak highly enough of you and the other 929 00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:12,810 podcasters who have had me on their shows. 930 00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:15,210 I thank you, from the bottom of my heart. 931 00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:18,299 Grateful gratitude I have for what you do here. 932 00:49:18,884 --> 00:49:20,805 Well, well, we do thank you for that. 933 00:49:20,834 --> 00:49:23,234 You know, it's really why we do it. 934 00:49:23,265 --> 00:49:29,205 Because we feel the same way, you never know who you're going to affect. 935 00:49:29,325 --> 00:49:33,314 So always be on your best game when you're doing it. 936 00:49:33,855 --> 00:49:38,745 And if we're willing and able to do that, you'll never know 937 00:49:38,745 --> 00:49:40,725 how many lives you changed. 938 00:49:40,995 --> 00:49:45,254 And that's the beauty of what you and I are doing right here today. 939 00:49:45,555 --> 00:49:48,165 And it, it keeps me going. 940 00:49:48,165 --> 00:49:52,725 I, I'll tell you many times I wanted to say I've had enough 941 00:49:52,725 --> 00:49:54,645 of this, it's just enough. 942 00:49:54,705 --> 00:50:00,495 But that particular point keeps me on my game. 943 00:50:00,585 --> 00:50:06,664 And I hope, like you stated, somebody listens to this today and 944 00:50:07,484 --> 00:50:09,615 finds new inspiration and hope. 945 00:50:09,615 --> 00:50:10,665 And that's why we do it. 946 00:50:11,805 --> 00:50:15,915 Richard, uh, our time is coming to a close. 947 00:50:15,915 --> 00:50:21,194 It, it seems like it just started and I could go on for hours with you 948 00:50:21,464 --> 00:50:26,444 and possibly have you back on for another conversation at a later time. 949 00:50:28,274 --> 00:50:31,904 Do you have a call to action for people? 950 00:50:32,024 --> 00:50:34,455 Or a bit of wisdom for people? 951 00:50:35,205 --> 00:50:36,675 I do, I actually do. 952 00:50:36,675 --> 00:50:39,585 I, I'm really glad you asked because I'm, I'm really excited about this. 953 00:50:39,585 --> 00:50:43,305 Um, again, I spoke about how I think God is the source of everything. 954 00:50:43,455 --> 00:50:48,015 Uh, I think it, it's a wonderful, it's a wonderful out for all of us to accept 955 00:50:48,015 --> 00:50:49,575 that God is the source of everything. 956 00:50:49,575 --> 00:50:52,665 All your hardships, all your challenges, and all your glory, 957 00:50:52,665 --> 00:50:53,955 all your good, good days. 958 00:50:54,355 --> 00:50:56,670 If we can accept that God's the source for everything, we're 959 00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:57,840 so far ahead of the posse. 960 00:50:58,050 --> 00:51:00,360 There's so many people out there who are disillusioned and hopeless 961 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,230 and giving up, and if we can accept that God has a plan for us. 962 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,800 So what I would say to your, your audience is, make a decision 963 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,390 to give God a second chance. 964 00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:11,490 We all deserve a second chance. 965 00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:14,910 I want a second chance of being, at being a husband and a father, and a 966 00:51:14,910 --> 00:51:18,630 brother, and, and a nephew, and a, and a son-in-law, and a neighbor, 967 00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:21,690 and a member of AA, and whatever, and, and a trauma therapist. 968 00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:25,470 I want a second chance of improving on the mistakes I've made in the past. 969 00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:28,589 As much as I want a second chance, give God a second chance. 970 00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:31,350 Try that dream prayer just tonight for the hell of it. 971 00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:33,810 When you go down to bed tonight, close your eyes. 972 00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:38,729 And before you sleep, get into dreaming something that you want to happen and 973 00:51:38,729 --> 00:51:40,169 have a dream of it actually happening. 974 00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:42,779 In that sleep of almost falling asleep, 975 00:51:42,779 --> 00:51:44,279 have a dream of it actually happening. 976 00:51:44,685 --> 00:51:45,794 As though it's happened already. 977 00:51:46,245 --> 00:51:49,634 And then in the morning, we dream that dream has happened already. 978 00:51:49,634 --> 00:51:51,435 And do that for about three weeks. 979 00:51:51,825 --> 00:51:54,105 And in three weeks time, look back and see if it's happened. 980 00:51:55,185 --> 00:51:59,384 You, honestly, when we give Him a chance, He's just waiting for us. 981 00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:04,095 I, I love this thing about, God gave us free will and a book of 982 00:52:04,095 --> 00:52:05,294 instructions on how to use it. 983 00:52:05,745 --> 00:52:09,840 I remember someone posted, I think on TikTok, they said, God created us 984 00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:12,540 so we could enjoy life on this earth. 985 00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:16,695 He's just shocked that we're choosing scarcity and poverty, and pain, depression 986 00:52:16,755 --> 00:52:20,295 rather than choosing abundance of love and life, and happiness and joy. 987 00:52:20,385 --> 00:52:22,815 You know, we're going around thinking that we're meant to be scared. 988 00:52:23,085 --> 00:52:25,425 And the churches are telling us that we're meant to be poor and scarce 989 00:52:25,425 --> 00:52:26,685 and we're meant to be sinners. 990 00:52:26,955 --> 00:52:28,605 And that's a load of bullocks, in my opinion. 991 00:52:29,025 --> 00:52:30,745 God wants us to be happy, joyous, and free. 992 00:52:30,765 --> 00:52:33,165 And if you want abundance, think abundance. 993 00:52:33,195 --> 00:52:35,685 If you want to be a millionaire, think of being a millionaire. 994 00:52:35,685 --> 00:52:37,685 In your dream period tonight, if you've got no money, you've got 995 00:52:37,685 --> 00:52:40,985 no job, dream of someone offering you a job in the next three weeks. 996 00:52:40,985 --> 00:52:43,595 In dream time, someone's gonna offer you a job with the money 997 00:52:43,595 --> 00:52:44,825 you need for the job you want. 998 00:52:45,095 --> 00:52:47,645 And dream that state in the job you want to do and whatever. 999 00:52:47,884 --> 00:52:51,154 And dream, and keep dreaming it morning, noon, and night, five times a day. 1000 00:52:51,424 --> 00:52:53,355 And in three weeks time, you're gonna find someone's offered you a job. 1001 00:52:53,355 --> 00:52:54,720 You're gonna go, This is easy. 1002 00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:57,875 I've gotta do dream, dream state, I'm gonna dream, pray every 1003 00:52:57,875 --> 00:52:59,105 fucking night and every day. 1004 00:52:59,345 --> 00:53:01,685 And you need never go to, to a church in your lifetime. 1005 00:53:02,045 --> 00:53:04,950 Just dream prayer as much as you can, okay? 1006 00:53:05,070 --> 00:53:09,780 And if you do that for, for thirty days, by day ten, you won't know yourself. 1007 00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:13,870 Twenty times a day, thirty times a day, just every time you got a waking moment. 1008 00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:16,440 In the office, after your office, you're not busy on your, on your 1009 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,790 desk, or the kitchen, or something. 1010 00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:23,130 Just, we, we, we visit that dream as those happened already, really invoke 1011 00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:23,850 that it's actually happened already. 1012 00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:26,930 And you, before you know it, He'll make it happen for you. 1013 00:53:27,269 --> 00:53:27,470 Sorry. 1014 00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:29,720 I've gone on, I can't stop. 1015 00:53:30,419 --> 00:53:30,940 Ed, thank you. 1016 00:53:32,685 --> 00:53:33,885 No, that's all right. 1017 00:53:34,185 --> 00:53:34,755 That's good. 1018 00:53:35,025 --> 00:53:39,015 You know, the Bible, Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth, 1019 00:53:39,075 --> 00:53:41,145 uh, I believe it a hundred percent. 1020 00:53:41,865 --> 00:53:46,305 And, uh, in, in the book of Jeremiah, it does tell you, 1021 00:53:46,575 --> 00:53:50,050 God wants good things for you. 1022 00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:56,670 And He has good things for you and you, you have to believe that. 1023 00:53:56,910 --> 00:54:00,210 And if you live it, it works every day. 1024 00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:06,270 Richard, it, it's always great to speaking with people like you. 1025 00:54:06,570 --> 00:54:09,750 How can people reach out and get involved with you? 1026 00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:14,790 Well, I'm happy to say, my, my seventeen-year-old son, he's just applied 1027 00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:18,450 to go to university and now in his free time, he's going to design my website. 1028 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,819 It'll be called Trauma Recovery Anonymous, and I hope to have it 1029 00:54:20,819 --> 00:54:22,500 up in the next two or three weeks. 1030 00:54:22,859 --> 00:54:27,390 I have my books on Amazon, uh, the trauma, How to Heal Any Past Trauma Memory. 1031 00:54:28,049 --> 00:54:31,379 About the book, when you do the healing event, you need to 1032 00:54:31,379 --> 00:54:32,790 have someone read it to you. 1033 00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:35,460 If you try and do it yourself, it won't work. 1034 00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:36,870 Because it's, it's like directions. 1035 00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:39,779 So you might, you might buy a copy and read your copy to somebody 1036 00:54:39,779 --> 00:54:42,390 else and then they might buy a copy and read that copy to you. 1037 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,660 So you have to take the directions from the other person for the event to work. 1038 00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:48,779 But the twelve step program you can do on your own, okay? 1039 00:54:48,779 --> 00:54:52,150 So, so if, again, if you wanna work with your therapist, work with your therapist. 1040 00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:55,290 But you may have someone in, in your support group who also, like 1041 00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:56,819 you, wants to, wants to break free. 1042 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,980 And your recovery buddy and you can work together. 1043 00:54:59,565 --> 00:55:03,205 Fellow veteran, whatever it is, or, or else your therapist, have your therapist 1044 00:55:03,415 --> 00:55:05,444 read it to you and do the process. 1045 00:55:05,775 --> 00:55:08,535 But be open to, just be open to it and it'll work for you. 1046 00:55:08,535 --> 00:55:11,565 And then the, the twelve step program is on Amazon as well, 1047 00:55:11,565 --> 00:55:13,214 they're both on as Kindle books. 1048 00:55:14,355 --> 00:55:17,475 And they're also on, on a, a, a website called Draft2Digital. 1049 00:55:17,654 --> 00:55:21,105 They have them in print and digital on most bookstores. 1050 00:55:21,255 --> 00:55:21,735 You'll get them there. 1051 00:55:21,735 --> 00:55:25,620 But you'll definitely get them on Amazon as a Kindle, okay? 1052 00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:28,830 And I'll, I'll send on to you, Ed, my details so you can put 1053 00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:31,859 them on the post when you do it so you have the details, content. 1054 00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:36,870 I have an email address, it's, uh, richard@traumarecoveryanonymous.com. 1055 00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:41,160 If you'd like me to work with you one-on-one or ten on ten, or I work, 1056 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,569 I work with ten on ten at a time. 1057 00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:43,890 Wanna do Zoom or something? 1058 00:55:43,890 --> 00:55:45,839 I can set up on Zoom to do a session if you want. 1059 00:55:46,020 --> 00:55:48,509 You're afraid of coming on your own, you wanna come with somebody, or I can take 1060 00:55:48,529 --> 00:55:49,440 you through the session on your own. 1061 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,380 So it's richard@traumarecoveryanonymous.com. 1062 00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:55,050 Ed, thank you very much. 1063 00:55:57,180 --> 00:56:02,850 Richard, yeah, it's been a pleasure having you and all of your links 1064 00:56:02,850 --> 00:56:04,860 will be in the show notes section. 1065 00:56:05,580 --> 00:56:12,060 And I wanna say thank you for being here today and sharing your wisdom and 1066 00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:14,880 techniques with the Dead America Podcast. 1067 00:56:15,779 --> 00:56:17,700 Thank you, it was a pleasure being here. 1068 00:56:17,934 --> 00:56:20,970 I, I know for me it's 10 o'clock, it's midnight here, one o'clock now. 1069 00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:22,109 I've loved every moment of it. 1070 00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:23,940 Maybe, maybe I'll become a night person. 1071 00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:28,140 Ed, thank you very much and thank you very much for listening, folks. 1072 00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:31,109 I hope you were able to understand my fast speech. 1073 00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:34,319 I get excited when I talk about this stuff, so thank you very much. 1074 00:56:34,665 --> 00:56:35,625 It's always good. 1075 00:56:38,835 --> 00:56:40,515 Thank you for joining us today. 1076 00:56:41,145 --> 00:56:47,385 If you found this podcast enlightening, entertaining, educational in any way, 1077 00:56:48,165 --> 00:56:54,569 please share, like, subscribe, and join us right back here next week for another 1078 00:56:54,569 --> 00:56:57,959 great episode of the Dead America Podcast. 1079 00:56:58,259 --> 00:57:03,810 I'm Ed Watters, your host, enjoy your afternoon wherever you might be.