1 00:00:00,090 --> 00:00:02,670 We're, we're so deep into it that we don't think about it. 2 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:05,490 You know, you, you usually feel like you're supposed to come on a podcast 3 00:00:05,490 --> 00:00:10,380 to talk about like something you've produced, and what we end up talking a 4 00:00:10,380 --> 00:00:15,660 lot about is who you've become and how you experience the world because of that. 5 00:00:16,170 --> 00:00:21,930 And how that natural connection, that connection 6 00:00:54,765 --> 00:00:58,545 Today, we are speaking with Tigrilla Gardenia. 7 00:00:58,815 --> 00:01:04,724 She is the host of the Reconnect with Plants Wisdom Podcast and the founder 8 00:01:04,724 --> 00:01:07,305 of the Naturally Conscious Community. 9 00:01:07,305 --> 00:01:07,625 Tigrilla 10 00:01:09,780 --> 00:01:11,610 could you please introduce yourself? 11 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,160 Let people know just a little more about you, please. 12 00:01:14,310 --> 00:01:17,190 Well, I am so, so happy to be here. 13 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:20,950 So as, as, you said my name beautifully, beautifully, Tigrilla Gardenia. 14 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:25,070 And I am a nature inspired mentor and a certified life coach. 15 00:01:25,070 --> 00:01:28,970 But I think what, what most people are curious about is that I am a 16 00:01:28,970 --> 00:01:31,190 world ambassador for plant advocacy. 17 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:34,550 I work mainly with, um, multipotentialites, you know, 18 00:01:34,550 --> 00:01:38,990 multi-passionate people, and, and neurodivergent people to create an 19 00:01:39,050 --> 00:01:43,580 ecosystem, you know, a living ecosystem of life where you can really flourish 20 00:01:43,940 --> 00:01:46,940 in your own way, in your own colors. 21 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,210 And I do this with the help of the plant kin homes. 22 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:53,570 So working very, very closely with plants as mentors, as 23 00:01:53,570 --> 00:01:55,580 models, and as collaborators. 24 00:01:57,770 --> 00:01:59,240 It's about, it's a mouthful, I know. 25 00:01:59,240 --> 00:01:59,900 It takes a minute. 26 00:02:01,580 --> 00:02:02,595 Yeah, I like that a lot. 27 00:02:05,315 --> 00:02:07,490 And, no, that's all good. 28 00:02:07,789 --> 00:02:16,635 Uh, you know, like after reading your bio, I came across, you discovered 29 00:02:16,635 --> 00:02:21,734 your calling through a life-changing encounter with a musical plant. 30 00:02:22,845 --> 00:02:24,945 Could you please explain this to me? 31 00:02:24,945 --> 00:02:26,385 It just baffles me. 32 00:02:26,385 --> 00:02:28,545 And I've never heard of a musical plant. 33 00:02:30,420 --> 00:02:30,780 Yeah. 34 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:34,120 so I live in a place called Damanhur, it's one of the largest 35 00:02:34,140 --> 00:02:35,670 spiritual communities in the world. 36 00:02:35,670 --> 00:02:39,960 It's kind of this Hogwarts for adults type of situation, although I 37 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,170 always say that, for adults, 'cause I think I, I try to qualify it, 38 00:02:43,170 --> 00:02:44,610 but we have tons of children here. 39 00:02:44,610 --> 00:02:45,840 So I don't know why I even say it. 40 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:52,065 Um, but in, in here we have, you know, lots of different, um, 41 00:02:52,275 --> 00:02:56,745 spiritual technologies and different ways that we interact with the, 42 00:02:56,865 --> 00:02:58,275 the living world all around us. 43 00:02:58,275 --> 00:03:01,875 And so one day I was walking down a hallway here and I heard this 44 00:03:01,875 --> 00:03:04,125 music and I followed the music. 45 00:03:04,125 --> 00:03:08,535 'cause I, so preface that my original degree was in music engineering 46 00:03:08,535 --> 00:03:09,645 and electrical engineering. 47 00:03:09,645 --> 00:03:13,170 I've done tons of stuff in the music world, and the arts is 48 00:03:13,170 --> 00:03:15,510 a big, big part of who I am. 49 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,310 You know, that, that whole creative, get out of the mold, sort of side 50 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:25,049 that comes when you allow yourself to just dive into imagination and such. 51 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,670 And so this music intrigued me because it was like nothing I had ever heard. 52 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:33,329 So I followed it and I ended up at a box that was connected to a 53 00:03:33,329 --> 00:03:37,380 speaker on one side and to a plant on the other, and I was like, Huh? 54 00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:41,400 And as I was, you know, kind of trying to figure out what the heck was going on 55 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,540 here, I kept hearing this music and I kept looking at the plant going, Is that you? 56 00:03:46,230 --> 00:03:54,325 And it felt like in that moment, all of a sudden the plant was saying, Hi, 57 00:03:54,325 --> 00:03:56,245 I'm so glad you can finally see me. 58 00:03:56,245 --> 00:03:57,325 Let's have a conversation. 59 00:03:57,325 --> 00:04:00,055 I really wanna talk to you about this and that and you know, it's been so many 60 00:04:00,055 --> 00:04:01,345 years that you have been ignoring me. 61 00:04:01,345 --> 00:04:06,445 And so, and it was like, Oh my goodness, you are an actual living, like not 62 00:04:06,445 --> 00:04:09,055 just alive, but like a living being. 63 00:04:09,565 --> 00:04:12,780 And that was it, that was enough to kind of open me up. 64 00:04:12,780 --> 00:04:16,469 You know, that whole engineering side of myself, how the hell does this box work? 65 00:04:16,769 --> 00:04:21,810 And the whole like, you know, part of me that is about music and that really 66 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:27,270 feels connected and can understand people through their musical choices, the music 67 00:04:27,270 --> 00:04:29,280 they create, the music they express. 68 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:34,740 Like all these different parts just merge together to give a voice, to 69 00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:36,210 a certain extent, to this plant. 70 00:04:36,210 --> 00:04:41,039 To allow me, this plant to communicate with me in something that I understood. 71 00:04:41,984 --> 00:04:43,875 And yeah, I've been kind of hooked ever since. 72 00:04:43,875 --> 00:04:45,674 I kind of fell down a rabbit hole since then. 73 00:04:49,455 --> 00:04:49,875 Yeah. 74 00:04:50,025 --> 00:04:56,914 A lot of, uh, times on my monologues I will tell people, You've 75 00:04:56,914 --> 00:04:59,370 gotta get in tune with nature. 76 00:04:59,370 --> 00:05:02,280 Wherever you are, there's nature there. 77 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,530 And through consuming some of your content, you talk a lot about 78 00:05:08,340 --> 00:05:11,039 this being in tune with nature. 79 00:05:11,039 --> 00:05:16,830 You know, grass growing through a crack in a parking lot is nature. 80 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:23,520 And you know, I, I say get close to the grass because that's where you're 81 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,730 going to find very interesting things. 82 00:05:27,090 --> 00:05:29,550 Lay down in the grass and feel it. 83 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:36,420 There's, there's this connection that we miss because we're so busy in our life all 84 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:38,700 the time, we're running here and there. 85 00:05:39,390 --> 00:05:45,645 And my wife and I, we got a chance to purchase some property 86 00:05:45,645 --> 00:05:47,955 out in the middle of no place. 87 00:05:48,375 --> 00:05:53,045 And we're hooked now, we're going on thirteen years in. 88 00:05:53,445 --> 00:06:00,075 And you know, we get deer, and birds, and different animals roaming around 89 00:06:00,075 --> 00:06:09,044 our property and it's just very calming to be in tune with nature. 90 00:06:09,914 --> 00:06:15,869 Sometimes it's very difficult for people to even experience that. 91 00:06:15,869 --> 00:06:21,330 How do we relate the feeling that we're feeling about connecting 92 00:06:21,330 --> 00:06:26,549 with nature to someone that's so uptight and running all the time? 93 00:06:27,794 --> 00:06:30,734 You, you said it perfectly at the beginning, which is, you 94 00:06:30,734 --> 00:06:35,534 know, the, the, first of all, the disconnection, what, what I tend 95 00:06:35,534 --> 00:06:37,275 to think of as the original trauma. 96 00:06:37,604 --> 00:06:40,905 Like people wanna talk about the original sin, forget the original sin, man, 97 00:06:40,905 --> 00:06:42,465 let's talk about the original trauma. 98 00:06:42,465 --> 00:06:46,900 Whatever disconnected us from our natural sense of being, 99 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:48,250 the fact that we are nature. 100 00:06:48,250 --> 00:06:51,670 That we have forgotten that we are nature, that we approach the 101 00:06:51,670 --> 00:06:54,219 world with, from that perspective. 102 00:06:54,700 --> 00:07:00,550 And the fact that we tend to think of nature as you just described it. 103 00:07:00,860 --> 00:07:05,210 You've had the benefit of being into that and being, moving into that. 104 00:07:05,210 --> 00:07:08,600 But for a lot of people, the idea of going out there is scary as hell. 105 00:07:08,990 --> 00:07:11,960 It's like, Oh my goodness, I have to like, what, what if 106 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,850 something's gonna bite me or eat me? 107 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,990 Or you know, if I don't know how to find food, or if my car breaks down, 108 00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:20,990 and I don't know, some bear is gonna come along and like, I don't know, 109 00:07:20,990 --> 00:07:22,580 people make up all kinds of stuff. 110 00:07:22,580 --> 00:07:24,535 Because when you grow up in a city, 111 00:07:25,575 --> 00:07:29,505 you're almost told that you're not, that there is no nature. 112 00:07:29,775 --> 00:07:32,475 You're almost, you're, you're disconnected from your body, you're 113 00:07:32,475 --> 00:07:34,425 told to separate out from your senses. 114 00:07:34,605 --> 00:07:38,325 You're given like, alarm clocks start at this time, breakfast is at 115 00:07:38,325 --> 00:07:41,565 this hour, lunch is at this hour, dinner is at this time, like you 116 00:07:41,565 --> 00:07:43,845 no longer have any natural rhythms. 117 00:07:43,845 --> 00:07:47,865 You don't have natural rhythms of light because the light is coming from, you 118 00:07:47,865 --> 00:07:50,690 know, some flip the switch type of thing. 119 00:07:50,690 --> 00:07:54,800 Like all these different pieces that constantly from birth reinforce 120 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,900 your disconnection from this fundamental part of who you are. 121 00:08:00,409 --> 00:08:04,650 And so you can't just dump 'em into the middle of nowhere because 122 00:08:04,650 --> 00:08:06,300 most people will just freak out. 123 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:07,530 So you gotta go, Okay. 124 00:08:07,530 --> 00:08:08,880 Little, little steps at a time. 125 00:08:09,270 --> 00:08:10,860 And it's amazing. 126 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,940 If you think now, um, especially after COVID, was the giant 127 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:16,620 kind of houseplant craze. 128 00:08:17,010 --> 00:08:20,820 Now the houseplant craze has gone a little too far in the perspective of, 129 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,240 oh my God, I'm gonna control, 'cause we've extended that control thing. 130 00:08:24,690 --> 00:08:28,585 But that's a really great place to start just the same as the blade of grass that 131 00:08:28,585 --> 00:08:29,995 you mentioned is a great place to start. 132 00:08:29,995 --> 00:08:33,025 Which is, Okay for a second, I'm gonna stop thinking about this 133 00:08:33,025 --> 00:08:34,975 as a thing I have to control. 134 00:08:35,850 --> 00:08:39,299 And instead, what happens when I just spend time with you? 135 00:08:39,419 --> 00:08:44,340 Like literally, now if you ask anybody who has a house full of plants, 136 00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:46,140 they will tell you all the benefits. 137 00:08:46,530 --> 00:08:49,650 You know, they won't talk about how much time they spend watering or whatever. 138 00:08:49,650 --> 00:08:53,160 They'll just say, Oh, I love being in the room with my cup of coffee. 139 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,300 It feels so good. 140 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:58,080 Like they already know it, but they just haven't intellectualized it yet. 141 00:08:58,110 --> 00:08:59,819 Which is kind of a good thing to a certain extent. 142 00:09:00,150 --> 00:09:04,975 But then you have to, just take that a little step further, which is sit there. 143 00:09:05,245 --> 00:09:10,525 Now move that into a conscious thing like, Hello Aloe, or Hello, you know, 144 00:09:10,525 --> 00:09:15,205 succulent that I found at Ikea for two dollars, probably almost dead. 145 00:09:15,625 --> 00:09:18,685 Like, let me just sit with you here for a second. 146 00:09:18,745 --> 00:09:22,945 And I am just gonna sit in, you know, to a certain extent, silence and just 147 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:27,420 whatever, let me know whatever you wanna let me know, type of thing. 148 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,980 And just start to open that. 149 00:09:28,980 --> 00:09:35,820 And start to then also see that in your city, in the littlest things, 150 00:09:35,820 --> 00:09:38,340 it doesn't have to be big, like, like you said, the blade of 151 00:09:38,340 --> 00:09:40,080 grass coming out of the crack. 152 00:09:40,439 --> 00:09:45,415 The, the abandoned parking lot where, you know, plantains and dandelions have 153 00:09:45,415 --> 00:09:51,574 taken over the corner or that crack pipe where there's like some mossy, licheny 154 00:09:51,595 --> 00:09:54,385 thing that's growing out of it that you don't know how to name and you don't know 155 00:09:54,385 --> 00:09:56,845 how to identify, or the street trees. 156 00:09:56,845 --> 00:09:59,635 I mean, come on, almost all cities have street trees somewhere. 157 00:10:00,805 --> 00:10:09,420 Just stopping for a second and like being there can be incredibly 158 00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:12,329 rewarding, like our nervous system. 159 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:17,400 And when immersed in nature, like our cortisol levels drop by like 160 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,560 fifty percent in twenty minutes. 161 00:10:20,010 --> 00:10:26,609 We have, uh, sensations, of people who live near abandoned, uh, parking 162 00:10:26,609 --> 00:10:31,199 lots that have now been taken over by like wild grasses and stuff start to 163 00:10:31,199 --> 00:10:33,359 experience lower levels of depression. 164 00:10:33,390 --> 00:10:36,510 Like it's not, doesn't take that much. 165 00:10:36,569 --> 00:10:40,620 Don't, don't try to say, Oh, but I don't have time for a 166 00:10:40,620 --> 00:10:42,390 hike or to blah, blah, blah. 167 00:10:42,450 --> 00:10:46,410 No, just five minutes sitting in your house with your cup of coffee 168 00:10:46,650 --> 00:10:50,370 or your tea and just looking at the plant and saying, I see you. 169 00:10:50,970 --> 00:10:51,540 I'm here. 170 00:10:52,830 --> 00:10:53,400 That's enough. 171 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,160 That's enough to start the process. 172 00:10:58,140 --> 00:10:58,500 Yeah. 173 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:01,740 It really can be a cleansing, you know? 174 00:11:01,740 --> 00:11:07,949 No, no matter where you are, there's a possibility of finding something new. 175 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,090 And you know, it's interesting. 176 00:11:12,329 --> 00:11:19,350 We often think about ants and things that are noticeable, but 177 00:11:19,740 --> 00:11:25,569 when you get deeper into it, you find things, it's an ecosystem. 178 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:28,310 And it all works together. 179 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:35,370 And we, we tend to miss out if we don't tune ourselves in. 180 00:11:35,580 --> 00:11:41,610 You said you're into music earlier and, you know, I feel that life 181 00:11:41,610 --> 00:11:51,135 is a resonance itself and we can alter our frequency levels just by 182 00:11:51,135 --> 00:11:57,855 being emotionally and physically in tune with what we are around. 183 00:11:58,305 --> 00:12:02,355 And if, if we're aware of that, we can actually 184 00:12:04,844 --> 00:12:13,005 physically change what we are by removing ourself or immersing ourselves 185 00:12:13,005 --> 00:12:15,824 even deeper into the experience. 186 00:12:16,125 --> 00:12:23,819 And it all starts with that tuning in to the frequency that you're desiring. 187 00:12:24,780 --> 00:12:26,130 What's your thoughts on that? 188 00:12:27,555 --> 00:12:29,385 Yeah, I, I couldn't agree more. 189 00:12:29,385 --> 00:12:34,065 So I often try to explain that we think of language, for example, or of 190 00:12:34,065 --> 00:12:38,775 other things as a music, as, um, uh, like we think of music as a language, 191 00:12:38,955 --> 00:12:40,395 but it's actually the opposite. 192 00:12:40,425 --> 00:12:44,145 Which is very close to what you said, which is, you know, it is, 193 00:12:44,215 --> 00:12:50,105 music is the origin, it is that, like you said, resonance, uh, frequency. 194 00:12:50,105 --> 00:12:54,755 So in reality, everything is a musicality because all resonance is 195 00:12:54,755 --> 00:12:56,735 vibration and all vibration is music. 196 00:12:57,065 --> 00:13:01,895 And so everything has that musicality running through, which is why the 197 00:13:01,895 --> 00:13:05,925 music of the plants, for example, this device that in the end, my community 198 00:13:05,925 --> 00:13:10,025 has been working on since the 1970s and is now, is publicly available. 199 00:13:10,025 --> 00:13:12,935 That's the reason why the music of the plants is so powerful because it 200 00:13:12,935 --> 00:13:18,625 gives, it's a musical instrument for plants that allows the plants to, 201 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:23,155 um, use a sense that we haven't shut down, which is a sense of hearing. 202 00:13:23,365 --> 00:13:26,694 Because other senses that are still vibration, that are still resonance, as 203 00:13:26,694 --> 00:13:28,765 you were just mentioning, we've shut down. 204 00:13:28,765 --> 00:13:34,314 So we don't, we don't feel the earth's vibration as we could, the geomagnetic. 205 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:37,555 We don't sense, you know, the electrical impulses that are coming 206 00:13:37,555 --> 00:13:40,780 through our environment, we don't sense any of those consciously. 207 00:13:40,990 --> 00:13:44,020 I still believe that they're dormant to a certain extent and that we're, they're 208 00:13:44,020 --> 00:13:50,439 there and I actually teach about, you know, how to reawaken these lost senses. 209 00:13:51,345 --> 00:13:56,055 But the point being is like everything vibrates, everything 210 00:13:56,055 --> 00:13:59,355 resonates, and we can tune into it. 211 00:13:59,385 --> 00:14:05,385 We're, we're just this giant antenna that we can develop and slowly attenuate 212 00:14:05,415 --> 00:14:10,974 that antenna until we lock into what, what is good for us and what is moving 213 00:14:10,974 --> 00:14:12,564 us in the direction that we wanna do. 214 00:14:12,564 --> 00:14:16,944 And this is a big part of what starts to come online when you 215 00:14:16,944 --> 00:14:19,735 reconnect with the natural world. 216 00:14:19,735 --> 00:14:23,785 When you give yourself that, that moment, like I was saying, of I'm not even 217 00:14:23,785 --> 00:14:27,364 gonna do anything, like I could give you other exercises, which I have kind of 218 00:14:27,364 --> 00:14:32,895 on my Insight timer or in my Naturally Conscious Community that you can try. 219 00:14:32,895 --> 00:14:34,365 But let's just even try the basics. 220 00:14:34,365 --> 00:14:38,415 If I sit there and I consciously open myself and say to the plant, 221 00:14:39,015 --> 00:14:45,345 I'm here, then some part of my senses is going to start to feel 222 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:51,600 what that plant is resonating and what that plant is sending to me. 223 00:14:51,870 --> 00:14:56,939 And so that starts a chain of events that allows me to continuously, 224 00:14:56,939 --> 00:14:59,910 in a safe way, open my senses. 225 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:07,515 Because I think we're, um, so disconnected and life is so loud in non harmonious 226 00:15:07,515 --> 00:15:11,775 ways that we think that opening our senses is gonna make it worse. 227 00:15:12,045 --> 00:15:18,675 When in reality, as you said, when you open your senses like a sensor, like 228 00:15:18,675 --> 00:15:23,805 a being of nature, the attenuation part becomes natural as well. 229 00:15:23,805 --> 00:15:25,965 And so you're much better at tuning in. 230 00:15:25,965 --> 00:15:28,875 If you think about it from the perspective of just straight up 231 00:15:28,875 --> 00:15:30,945 biology, plants are sessile, right? 232 00:15:31,185 --> 00:15:35,480 Rooted into the ground, cannot run away from their problems like we do. 233 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:37,319 So what happens? 234 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:42,540 They have to be hypervigilant, they have to know everything, they can't just 235 00:15:42,540 --> 00:15:46,800 close their eyes or, you know, their photoreceptors and say, I don't wanna 236 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,540 see what's coming from this direction. 237 00:15:48,540 --> 00:15:51,630 Or, I don't wanna sense that thing, or, No, no, no, don't tell me. 238 00:15:51,630 --> 00:15:53,400 Because that's death, right? 239 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:57,750 They have to be the opposite, which is, I'm gonna open everything, I'm gonna know, 240 00:15:57,750 --> 00:16:01,800 I'm gonna use all my twenty senses, and I'm constantly going to be filtering this. 241 00:16:02,130 --> 00:16:06,180 And then to not get overwhelmed, I choose which ones to focus in on. 242 00:16:06,450 --> 00:16:08,760 So we evolved from plants, right? 243 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,820 We are an evolution that comes later in the chain. 244 00:16:12,090 --> 00:16:17,000 That means that those capabilities that also you see in, you know, the fungi 245 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,930 world, that you see in bacteria, that you see also even in animals, right? 246 00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:25,160 This ability for them to use hyper senses that are, senses 247 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,790 that are hyper, uh, sensitive to certain things that we have lost. 248 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,620 But we're animals too, which means, how is it that we're the last on the food chain 249 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,620 with the most reduced amount of things? 250 00:16:37,650 --> 00:16:42,210 It's because our culture has reduced them, not because our biology reduces them. 251 00:16:42,390 --> 00:16:46,320 And so once you start to walk into that experience and you 252 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,330 start to open again and say, Oh. 253 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:54,480 Truly being able to choose means seeing everything, and experiencing 254 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,290 everything, and then from there, making an informed choice. 255 00:16:58,949 --> 00:17:00,900 Which of course, I start to become better at doing it a 256 00:17:00,900 --> 00:17:02,250 little bit more automatically, 257 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:04,200 it's not like I'm constantly thinking about it. 258 00:17:04,379 --> 00:17:09,369 But the point is that it's just, it is a natural part of who we are. 259 00:17:09,859 --> 00:17:15,420 If we didn't, you know, abdicate our responsibilities, if we didn't give away 260 00:17:15,420 --> 00:17:20,850 our power to societies and cultures and norms and values and all these different 261 00:17:20,850 --> 00:17:25,710 things, but instead, we absorbed all that in and then made the choices that 262 00:17:25,710 --> 00:17:29,910 were best for our bodies, for our, our way of living, for the things that we 263 00:17:29,910 --> 00:17:33,990 want to accomplish for the environment in which we're in, and that's that 264 00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:35,670 living ecosystem I'm talking about. 265 00:17:35,670 --> 00:17:40,845 You know, when I do coaching with people, it's never about, like let's, 266 00:17:41,145 --> 00:17:43,545 that's the reason I say it's life coaching, I never look at just like 267 00:17:43,545 --> 00:17:47,745 this one problem in a vacuum because that reductionist thinking doesn't work. 268 00:17:47,985 --> 00:17:51,165 It's more of, let's look at everything around you, 269 00:17:51,315 --> 00:17:54,315 let's open up to all the weird ways your mind works. 270 00:17:54,345 --> 00:17:57,405 'Cause I love that, like whatever you think is odd. 271 00:17:57,470 --> 00:18:01,700 Like I process this because I hear the sound, I go over here and I start 272 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:05,600 to paint, and I go over here and I'm really good at numbers, and over here, 273 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:09,290 instead, I jump up and down because my body feels, and blah, blah, blah. 274 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,000 Throw it all into the pot, man. 275 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Let's look at it all and then let's see which of those sensors 276 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,050 is attuned to which signaler. 277 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,000 And so boom, boom. 278 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,390 And then we start to like weave these through so that you start to 279 00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:25,865 master the way that you truly are. 280 00:18:28,909 --> 00:18:29,220 Yeah. 281 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:38,879 You know, I go back to my younger days when my mother, she was a plant 282 00:18:38,879 --> 00:18:48,450 freak, and we would always see her humming, and, you know, watering her 283 00:18:48,450 --> 00:18:50,940 plants, and talking to the plants. 284 00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:58,200 And we never could figure out, well, why does her plants grow so well? 285 00:18:58,379 --> 00:19:02,399 And it's that connection that she had with the plants. 286 00:19:02,909 --> 00:19:07,920 And another thing I, I'm really interested about is grounding. 287 00:19:08,340 --> 00:19:14,625 You know, we're often times not willing to take our shoes and socks 288 00:19:14,625 --> 00:19:22,665 off and connect with the earth and be part of nature in its true form. 289 00:19:22,875 --> 00:19:29,475 That's because usually we're isolated because of the soles of our shoes and 290 00:19:29,895 --> 00:19:38,355 we, we don't understand that connection can bring a completeness and it makes 291 00:19:38,355 --> 00:19:45,105 you feel good inside and about yourself when you actually experience it. 292 00:19:45,945 --> 00:19:50,205 A lot of people can connect because they go to the beach and that's when 293 00:19:50,205 --> 00:19:56,115 they'll take their shoes off and they'll run in the warm sand, and that 294 00:19:56,235 --> 00:20:00,425 really brings them that joy feeling. 295 00:20:00,675 --> 00:20:05,175 You're connected, you're, you know, grounding to the earth. 296 00:20:05,445 --> 00:20:07,574 What's your thoughts on grounding? 297 00:20:08,879 --> 00:20:13,080 It's funny that you say this 'cause, um, as, as I've been talking to more 298 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,669 and more and more people, I'm realizing that as I hear the things that each one 299 00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:22,590 of them shares, it, it, it connects me to elements, and times, and moments, 300 00:20:22,590 --> 00:20:23,879 and things that I've changed in my life. 301 00:20:24,525 --> 00:20:27,045 Again, naturally, organically, let's say it that way, where 302 00:20:27,045 --> 00:20:28,165 it's just naturally happened. 303 00:20:28,575 --> 00:20:32,205 Now I was a, I love the concept, I love the concept of shoes. 304 00:20:32,235 --> 00:20:36,285 Like in the sense that when I was, I did some acting for, for several years, 305 00:20:36,285 --> 00:20:39,795 and when I was an actor, I always found my character through shoes. 306 00:20:39,795 --> 00:20:42,195 Like it was, like once I put the shoes on, I could feel it. 307 00:20:42,345 --> 00:20:48,195 But it's really funny, I spend the, now, the majority of my life, 308 00:20:49,230 --> 00:20:53,310 either if it's warm, which I live in a climate that, um, I live in a place 309 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:57,270 which, it's Northern Italy, we do have a period of summer, in the summer, I will be 310 00:20:57,270 --> 00:21:00,690 basically with flip flops because as soon as I sit somewhere, I take my shoes off. 311 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,900 Like, it's like always, always, always. 312 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:08,370 And then for the rest of the year where I have to wear shoes, I've basically 313 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:10,530 switched all my shoes to barefoot shoes. 314 00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:13,410 To like, really, really thin soled barefoot shoes. 315 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:21,345 Even my hiking boots, and that was a humongous shift in the way that 316 00:21:21,345 --> 00:21:27,255 I experience the deep, immersive, natural environment, because I 317 00:21:27,255 --> 00:21:28,605 would wear, you know, hiking boots. 318 00:21:28,635 --> 00:21:32,625 I'm, I'm not from a place I have to, just so people know, I was a city girl. 319 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:35,265 When I tell my mother about some of the things that I do now, she's 320 00:21:35,265 --> 00:21:37,395 like, she just looks at me and she's like, I don't understand, 321 00:21:37,395 --> 00:21:38,325 we're city people. 322 00:21:38,715 --> 00:21:40,455 I'm like, Look, we're from an island. 323 00:21:40,485 --> 00:21:43,005 And, but she's like, Yeah, but I'm from the city of an island. 324 00:21:43,155 --> 00:21:44,625 And I was just like, All right. 325 00:21:44,625 --> 00:21:45,105 Whatever. 326 00:21:45,675 --> 00:21:46,065 But I get it. 327 00:21:46,065 --> 00:21:47,895 Like, you know, we are city folks. 328 00:21:47,895 --> 00:21:51,135 So don't, don't pretend, I'm not like some, you know, I didn't grow up 329 00:21:51,135 --> 00:21:52,645 running through barefoot, you know? 330 00:21:52,675 --> 00:21:55,260 But I have, but I completely agree with you. 331 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:57,449 I've always had this streak of me that likes to be, as a matter 332 00:21:57,449 --> 00:21:58,800 of fact, I'm barefoot right now. 333 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,050 And, um, and I have marble floors, which I adore, uh, for lots of different reasons. 334 00:22:04,379 --> 00:22:10,850 But, um, but my, when I switched to my hiking boots, I would, um, felt 335 00:22:10,850 --> 00:22:15,080 very unstable when I would hike wearing, you know, normal hiking boots. 336 00:22:15,139 --> 00:22:16,190 And I just thought it was me, 337 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:19,730 I just thought I wasn't used to it, I didn't really understand, I just, you 338 00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:21,440 know, I had, I, I'm kind of new to it. 339 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,889 I live in the middle of, I live at the foothills of the Alps, so there's 340 00:22:24,889 --> 00:22:26,210 lots of mountains around here. 341 00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:28,550 And I have a really good friend of mine who's a Woods Guide and 342 00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:32,990 I absolutely adore going on his hikes because it feels very safe. 343 00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:36,035 'Cause I'm kind of like still, when it comes to that kind 344 00:22:36,035 --> 00:22:39,125 of immersive environment, um, I'm more of a meadow girl. 345 00:22:39,125 --> 00:22:42,245 I like, I have a beautiful meadow in front of my house, there's gorgeous 346 00:22:42,245 --> 00:22:45,725 cows who have been having way too much sex in the last few days, and 347 00:22:45,725 --> 00:22:48,035 then a, a river that's flowing down. 348 00:22:48,035 --> 00:22:49,715 And so it's, it's wonderful. 349 00:22:50,685 --> 00:22:54,555 But I do, I do love, like, learning and getting comfortable with the mountain. 350 00:22:54,555 --> 00:22:56,115 I thought it was just me. 351 00:22:56,715 --> 00:22:59,895 And then I bought a pair of barefoot hiking boots. 352 00:23:00,405 --> 00:23:03,014 Oh my gosh, It changes everything. 353 00:23:03,375 --> 00:23:09,524 My feet feel the shape of the rocks, and of the stones, and of the little gravel, 354 00:23:09,524 --> 00:23:11,655 and whatever it is that I'm walking on. 355 00:23:12,135 --> 00:23:14,355 I feel it through my feet. 356 00:23:14,355 --> 00:23:18,195 And while yes, there is still a sole because you know, it has a little bit 357 00:23:18,195 --> 00:23:23,810 of a sole, but you're, you're absolutely right, that connection is so much more. 358 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,400 And so I have a pair of like, you know, barefoot ballerinas that I 359 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,770 pretty much wear most of the year. 360 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:35,040 My flip flops, which I try to buy the ones that are as flat 361 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,560 and as like soleless as possible. 362 00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:40,850 Uh, I'll slowly be adding more from, there's this one company 363 00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:42,470 in, uh, Portland that I adore. 364 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:46,805 Soft Star Shoes, Soft Star Shoes, which I absolutely adore. 365 00:23:47,939 --> 00:23:51,120 So whenever I'm in the US I like try to get a pair, that's where 366 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,649 my, um, hiking boots are from. 367 00:23:53,129 --> 00:23:58,379 And, and, and I just really feel that difference where it's like, 368 00:23:58,379 --> 00:24:04,004 okay, if I have to wear shoes, I prefer to wear these that really let 369 00:24:04,004 --> 00:24:06,044 me feel the contours of the earth. 370 00:24:06,044 --> 00:24:11,504 That really allow me, and oftentimes I can easily slip out of them because if 371 00:24:11,504 --> 00:24:17,774 I'm just about anywhere where I can, I will slip out of my shoes immediately. 372 00:24:17,975 --> 00:24:24,585 So I am, I am in a complete agreement with you, which is that connection to, 373 00:24:24,905 --> 00:24:26,254 it's our stability, right? 374 00:24:26,254 --> 00:24:31,175 Like we as human beings stabilized by putting our two feet flat on the ground 375 00:24:31,625 --> 00:24:37,745 and our entire body dynamics are built, are predicated on how well I stand. 376 00:24:38,315 --> 00:24:41,975 And I think that that's another one of those preconditioned elements, which is 377 00:24:42,335 --> 00:24:47,105 when I switched to barefoot shoes or, and, and even when I started to just 378 00:24:47,105 --> 00:24:50,405 embrace the idea that, okay, during the summer I'm just gonna wear like really 379 00:24:50,405 --> 00:24:53,345 flat flip flops, very, and I stopped. 380 00:24:53,955 --> 00:24:58,175 Um, I try very hard to buy almost, even when I buy, like, I don't know, 381 00:24:58,295 --> 00:25:02,825 I don't really use tennis shoes, I have a few pairs of Chuck Tees, right? 382 00:25:02,825 --> 00:25:05,315 Converse Chuck Tees, because they're flat inside. 383 00:25:05,705 --> 00:25:13,320 And I wanted to feel again what my feet are supposed to be shaped like in 384 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,780 order to prevent back injury and pain. 385 00:25:16,110 --> 00:25:20,129 So as I would feel things in my body, because again, that connection that 386 00:25:20,129 --> 00:25:24,375 naturally goes, I'd start to play with, okay, is it, is it the way 387 00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:26,264 that I'm shaping, you know, my back? 388 00:25:26,264 --> 00:25:28,185 Is it, am I supposed to tuck in? 389 00:25:28,185 --> 00:25:29,325 Am I supposed to tuck out? 390 00:25:29,325 --> 00:25:31,785 And where are my feet standing? 391 00:25:31,845 --> 00:25:35,835 And you can't do that if you're wearing shoes with like a massive arch, and 392 00:25:35,835 --> 00:25:40,185 with all these, like we don't even realize that all these pains and aches 393 00:25:40,185 --> 00:25:48,060 and things that we have are coming from our inability to explore the most 394 00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:51,419 basic parts of our body's anatomy. 395 00:25:52,169 --> 00:25:53,730 Which is posture, right? 396 00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:56,580 And I'm not by no means an expert on anybody else. 397 00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:58,379 I can just tell you that I have spent 398 00:25:58,875 --> 00:26:02,264 probably the last few years because I had a back injury that happened 399 00:26:02,355 --> 00:26:06,915 a few years ago, and after that I was like, Okay, I don't wanna 400 00:26:06,915 --> 00:26:08,325 have to deal with this anymore. 401 00:26:08,325 --> 00:26:14,415 And so I'm gonna literally explore barefoot shoes so that my body, wide 402 00:26:14,415 --> 00:26:16,635 stance, so my toes are now wider out. 403 00:26:17,225 --> 00:26:22,024 Because that's the way our feet were meant to be, wider, not narrow. 404 00:26:22,445 --> 00:26:25,835 And then where, how am I supposed to stand? 405 00:26:25,895 --> 00:26:27,034 Do I lean a little forward? 406 00:26:27,034 --> 00:26:27,995 Do I lean a little back? 407 00:26:27,995 --> 00:26:29,075 Does my butt come out? 408 00:26:29,075 --> 00:26:30,155 Did my butt come in? 409 00:26:30,155 --> 00:26:31,475 Is it my stomach muscles? 410 00:26:31,475 --> 00:26:32,645 Is it my back muscles? 411 00:26:32,885 --> 00:26:39,750 Like, and that connection, which also is thanks to this little plant that's sitting 412 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:45,100 over my shoulder, uh, you know, named Dracaena as I, as I lovingly call Key 413 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:46,950 because it doesn't wanna give me a name. 414 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:50,970 Because it's all about embodiment of, of that, that physical body. 415 00:26:51,149 --> 00:26:53,639 So yeah, we're, we're completely in agreement with that, which 416 00:26:53,639 --> 00:26:58,139 is that grounding is, go even beyond just connection. 417 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,060 It's connection to self and, and it's connection to self through 418 00:27:03,410 --> 00:27:06,470 everything that Mother Earth gives us, you know, everything that the 419 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:08,900 earth provides for us in that method. 420 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,250 Uh, I'll, I'll tell you, it, it's interesting. 421 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:20,180 You know, if you do immerse yourself into nature and get in tune with 422 00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:24,530 not only it, but what it needs. 423 00:27:24,650 --> 00:27:32,370 Because all of my plants that we've planted around here, we have berry bushes, 424 00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:40,620 we have grapes, we have plum trees, uh, you know, uh, all of these bushes, and 425 00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:47,760 trees, and fruits, and things that we plant, we have to maintain and water. 426 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:56,820 And it's like a renewing every year because you have to cut out the 427 00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:00,629 old and then the new flourishes. 428 00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:10,740 And I have this little analogy that I use, Life is like a muddy shoe. 429 00:28:13,155 --> 00:28:22,305 We are the muddy shoe and life is the muddy trail and the people, places, 430 00:28:22,305 --> 00:28:25,350 and things are the mud on the trail. 431 00:28:26,595 --> 00:28:32,325 If you've ever walked in boots, you know how heavy mud can get. 432 00:28:32,565 --> 00:28:38,085 It's clay, it sticks, it gets heavy, you have to wipe that mud off. 433 00:28:38,085 --> 00:28:40,515 Those people, places, and things. 434 00:28:41,055 --> 00:28:45,075 And then you've got the really thin liquidy mud, the good 435 00:28:45,075 --> 00:28:49,865 mud that just soaks into your threads and it's not leaving you. 436 00:28:50,455 --> 00:28:55,455 So you really have to think about what you're hauling around. 437 00:28:56,035 --> 00:28:59,215 And do you need to wipe the mud off? 438 00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:09,985 Living in a place like you live and the style of life that you live, what, what 439 00:29:09,985 --> 00:29:18,295 balance techniques do you use to create that harmonious balance in your life? 440 00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:23,040 Ooh, my podcast is eclectic. 441 00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:28,080 I had, uh, I just did an interview this morning with someone who I wasn't really 442 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,820 sure what direction we would take, and it was so, I was, like crying in a good way. 443 00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:35,520 I was so emotional of the things that we were talking about. 444 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:41,700 He was, we, we, I ended up calling it, uh, um, Path to, Path of a Mystic, of 445 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:46,050 a Modern Mystic because he's somebody who spent nine months in silence. 446 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,250 And we were talking about that deep connection to the mystery. 447 00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:51,479 Yeah, nine months in silence. 448 00:29:51,479 --> 00:29:52,320 Can you imagine that? 449 00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:57,179 And he was, you know, somebody who has really explored that deep connection of 450 00:29:57,179 --> 00:30:05,070 mysticism, which is my inner presence in the presence of the natural world, right? 451 00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:13,860 Where I, I am in nature as nature and I sit in that presence and silence. 452 00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:15,210 And he did it through silence, 453 00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:15,720 silence. 454 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,210 I do it through movement, going back to the whole music thing. 455 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:24,700 I get there, I get to that equivalent silence through, through movement, 456 00:30:24,719 --> 00:30:26,250 through the way that my body moves. 457 00:30:26,729 --> 00:30:28,800 Um, so I have people like him. 458 00:30:28,889 --> 00:30:37,350 Um, I, I have a, a person who wrote a science fiction, um, type book around, 459 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:43,879 a series of books for teens connected to really helping people understand 460 00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:49,280 the natural world and connect into the natural world through fantasy. 461 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:57,470 Um, I've had all kinds of different, uh, authors, and artists, and people. 462 00:30:57,470 --> 00:31:01,250 One person who's more of an esoteric person who was talking 463 00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:08,170 about her work with plants to, um, embody, again, consciousness. 464 00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:13,960 And so my podcast really has a wide range of people that are all working 465 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,220 very closely with and co-creating with, 466 00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:21,580 one of the things I do when I do my pre-interviews is, I, I always give 467 00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:24,520 them the same little spiel and I always say, Please do not get insulted, 468 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:28,870 but I am not looking, there's lots of really great podcasts out there 469 00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:35,520 that talk about working, um, using plants, I don't, I'm not one of them. 470 00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:41,490 Like my podcast is about the width, the, the co-creation, the, the 471 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,650 partnership, the, the deep lessons that come from that immersion, 472 00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:49,920 like you were mentioning, you know, thirteen years, you're living in this 473 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:56,010 environment and it changes you because you now don't feel that separation. 474 00:31:56,130 --> 00:32:01,540 You don't feel like Nature is this thing outside of me, it's me. 475 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:07,240 And I sometimes am in it, I sometimes am it, I sometimes participate 476 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,370 in it, I sometimes observe. 477 00:32:09,639 --> 00:32:15,399 But it's still all different facets of me, and that's what I love to explore. 478 00:32:17,115 --> 00:32:18,675 Yeah, I like that a lot. 479 00:32:19,395 --> 00:32:26,415 You, you know, so much of life is a challenge and when we learn to pause, 480 00:32:26,879 --> 00:32:29,865 it, it is a life changing game. 481 00:32:30,284 --> 00:32:36,915 You know, my, my wife now is learning to do that and I've witnessed a 482 00:32:36,915 --> 00:32:42,225 change in her over the last few months that, uh, I never thought I'd see. 483 00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:44,580 It's remarkable. 484 00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:51,450 And just learning to pause, think about what you're thinking, and then react. 485 00:32:52,170 --> 00:32:54,780 That pause is very important, I like it. 486 00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:59,040 So where, go ahead. 487 00:33:01,905 --> 00:33:06,315 It's a really interesting question because as I was, I was, as I was thinking about, 488 00:33:06,315 --> 00:33:11,025 you know, the guest of my podcast and, and as you were talking about, you know, 489 00:33:11,025 --> 00:33:15,075 your own experiences, I was realizing that one of the most beautiful things that I 490 00:33:15,075 --> 00:33:22,260 love to capture is how, because, because most of us don't really, we're, we're so 491 00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:24,270 deep into it that we don't think about it. 492 00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:27,150 You know, you, you usually feel like you're supposed to come on a podcast to 493 00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:29,880 talk about like something you've produced. 494 00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:34,830 And what we end up talking a lot about is who you've become and how you 495 00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:37,320 experience the world because of that. 496 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:44,190 And how that natural connection, that connection back to my true nature has 497 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:50,489 allowed me, or, without even realizing it, a lot of, like if I go back and I look at 498 00:33:50,489 --> 00:33:55,590 my, I don't know, my journals from twenty years ago or even, even just fifteen years 499 00:33:55,590 --> 00:34:00,209 ago when I arrived at Damanhur, and I go and I look at my journals and I see all 500 00:34:00,209 --> 00:34:06,570 the things I was quote unquote working on about me, my personal development, so many 501 00:34:06,719 --> 00:34:12,900 of those that I tried so hard with so many techniques, with so many classes, with so 502 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:17,700 many things, are, are so beautiful today. 503 00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:23,130 And yeah, I mean, I am a person who kept it there, kept it present. 504 00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:28,770 But I, it, it, it's, it is what the natural world kind of soaks into you. 505 00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:33,090 Like you said, that, that liquidy mud that gets into all of your 506 00:34:33,090 --> 00:34:37,650 tissues, and all of the threads, and all of the parts of who you are. 507 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,435 That then 508 00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:42,960 it's like no matter how different each thread is or each piece of 509 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,160 clothing, there's a commonality that comes into it and a, and a uniform 510 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,205 part of it that just is there. 511 00:34:50,445 --> 00:34:54,195 And, and that's been what the natural world has done for me. 512 00:34:54,195 --> 00:34:59,565 And it's what I hear in the guests as well as even a lot of, believe it or not, a lot 513 00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:03,615 of the podcasts that I've been on, like where I've been interviewed, I discover 514 00:35:03,615 --> 00:35:05,685 as we're talking, this exact thing. 515 00:35:05,685 --> 00:35:07,485 Like what we're talking about right now, right? 516 00:35:07,485 --> 00:35:12,375 Like, like, oh my goodness, you know, we're, we're, we're so much more 517 00:35:12,375 --> 00:35:16,440 than our kind of mental chatter is. 518 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,549 If we were just to recognize how fricking amazing we are. 519 00:35:20,850 --> 00:35:26,730 So thinking about it from that perspective, I realized that my kind 520 00:35:26,730 --> 00:35:33,509 of, a lot of my techniques are, I mean, I use, I use a lot of different things, 521 00:35:33,509 --> 00:35:37,260 but so much of it is just stopping, and 522 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,010 recognizing, and resting. 523 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,400 Like I would say that probably my biggest, one of the biggest lessons that I have 524 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,910 learned for myself or that I've embodied, I don't even think about it as learned 525 00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:51,090 anymore because that implies just thinking about it, but more of like what I've 526 00:35:51,090 --> 00:35:57,120 embodied is, and I, and I just tested this maybe about ten days ago without 527 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:04,095 realizing it was the ability to trust in myself so much that I could just stop. 528 00:36:04,935 --> 00:36:09,675 And so I had this like looming deadline I was working on, I had been asked to 529 00:36:09,675 --> 00:36:13,395 do something at the very last moment and if you were to look at the amount 530 00:36:13,395 --> 00:36:16,845 of stuff on my plate, you would think that I would wake up like every morning 531 00:36:16,845 --> 00:36:19,245 at four o'clock in the morning and go to bed every day at three o'clock, 532 00:36:19,305 --> 00:36:20,625 at three o'clock in the morning, you know? 533 00:36:20,625 --> 00:36:23,175 It's like kind of crazy for the amount of output. 534 00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:28,875 But in the other, on the other side, I spend a lot of time sitting like where 535 00:36:28,875 --> 00:36:33,404 I am right now, staring out at Gary, the silver fern, which is this beautiful, 536 00:36:33,464 --> 00:36:37,125 you know, whatever, I don't even know how tall, I've tried, I should try 537 00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:41,025 to figure that out, I think he's like sixty, seventy feet tall plant that's 538 00:36:41,025 --> 00:36:42,375 like, tree that's outside of my window. 539 00:36:42,375 --> 00:36:48,105 And all these plants here, and I spend a lot of time just staring and being. 540 00:36:48,465 --> 00:36:54,795 And when I had a looming deadline and my head just, my, like, mind, 541 00:36:54,795 --> 00:36:58,815 brain, mind could not figure things out, I was like, Screw it. 542 00:36:58,875 --> 00:37:00,705 I'm just gonna sit back and I'm gonna rest. 543 00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,320 Because that's what Noelle, the Christmas cactus told me to do. 544 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,630 And, um, very insistently. 545 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,690 And was like, you just need to rest, just rest. 546 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:12,200 And don't, and I was like, No, but I have to get this done by 547 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,150 tomorrow, like, by tomorrow morning. 548 00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:16,830 It's like, I don't have time to rest. 549 00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:17,970 It was like, just rest, you'll see. 550 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:22,200 And I woke up on like Monday morning and in three hours the 551 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,220 whole thing was done because I listened to the cycles of my body. 552 00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:30,150 And the time that I was trying to create it, was not a cycle that worked for me. 553 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:35,200 And so I would say that my kind of quote unquote kind of balance or, or 554 00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:40,259 reconnection type piece is literally stop. 555 00:37:42,089 --> 00:37:42,660 Just stop. 556 00:37:43,545 --> 00:37:43,935 Yeah. 557 00:37:44,295 --> 00:37:49,125 Yeah, so that, that is a good thing to do. 558 00:37:49,154 --> 00:37:53,205 Pause, reflect, you know, feel, I, I like that. 559 00:37:53,205 --> 00:37:59,205 And then we can actually, and it happens like that usually. 560 00:37:59,235 --> 00:38:03,345 When, when we're in that reactive state, we wanna jump. 561 00:38:03,645 --> 00:38:10,185 And learning to do that takes a long time for a lot of people, but it's possible. 562 00:38:10,185 --> 00:38:19,065 And when we do learn to just release that energy, because that's really what 563 00:38:19,065 --> 00:38:25,815 that is, that emotion is an energy, and if we can learn to control the energy 564 00:38:25,815 --> 00:38:32,085 and put the energy where it should be put, instead of just letting it go 565 00:38:32,085 --> 00:38:34,424 everywhere, there's a more productive, 566 00:38:36,765 --> 00:38:43,529 uh, feeling that we receive after we learn that technique to put 567 00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:45,509 the energy where it needs to go. 568 00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:53,220 Yes, you're mad and I, I understand that you're mad, but why are you mad? 569 00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:58,170 And can we do anything to prevent you from getting there anymore? 570 00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:03,600 That's where we need to focus, that negative thought and put 571 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,550 it into a positive thought. 572 00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:09,750 And that's what we here at the Dead America Podcast really 573 00:39:09,755 --> 00:39:12,030 try to relate to people. 574 00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:15,810 It's okay to be you, you've got to be who you are. 575 00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:23,370 And then when you tune into that natural state, you can become whatever 576 00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:30,000 you want to be, not what external forces want you to be for them. 577 00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:32,490 What's your thoughts? 578 00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:37,170 And I would add one other, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna add one little 579 00:39:37,170 --> 00:39:38,940 piece before we, we jump to the end. 580 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:43,170 Which is, you said it beautifully, it's like pause and think. 581 00:39:43,290 --> 00:39:48,090 But in between there I would add feel, because that disconnect. 582 00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:52,290 So much of the answer is already inside of your body, so much 583 00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:54,655 of the answer is already there. 584 00:39:54,865 --> 00:39:59,185 And you're trying to bubble it up so that you could process it and put it into 585 00:39:59,185 --> 00:40:04,975 some form, like your mind needs to think about it in the sense of how do I get it 586 00:40:04,975 --> 00:40:07,405 out of me to give it to somebody else? 587 00:40:07,915 --> 00:40:14,805 But the actual answer is already in there in, it's come in through something 588 00:40:14,805 --> 00:40:18,975 you smelled, connected with something that like some little hormone that moved 589 00:40:18,975 --> 00:40:24,075 around here, and with something that you saw seven years ago and some memory that 590 00:40:24,075 --> 00:40:26,444 got lodged in your, it's all in there. 591 00:40:26,834 --> 00:40:32,174 And it's just a matter of letting your body bubble it from, you know, all your 592 00:40:32,174 --> 00:40:38,024 other kind of brain-like mind pieces and to the brain that then processes 593 00:40:38,024 --> 00:40:40,814 it and says, Oh, output, type of thing. 594 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,670 Tigrilla, I could speak with you for hours on this subject. 595 00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:54,630 Because, you know, when you get truly into a conversation, it, it just flies by. 596 00:40:55,230 --> 00:41:02,350 Uh, do you wanna add anything else to our conversation today before we wrap up? 597 00:41:03,225 --> 00:41:03,825 Yeah, I would. 598 00:41:03,855 --> 00:41:08,805 I would add one piece, which is, um, so much, we know that in the natural 599 00:41:08,805 --> 00:41:11,475 world, we evolve faster together. 600 00:41:11,805 --> 00:41:15,705 Like mutualisms and mutually beneficial partnerships are the 601 00:41:15,705 --> 00:41:18,645 ones that, that evolve the fastest. 602 00:41:18,645 --> 00:41:23,725 All the other types, whether you're talking about predation, or parasitism, 603 00:41:23,725 --> 00:41:27,085 or competition, or all these other things, are kind of temporary. 604 00:41:27,444 --> 00:41:31,404 They last for small periods of time because they can be really useful. 605 00:41:31,705 --> 00:41:35,484 Um, nothing is, is bad, it's, just has to find its use. 606 00:41:35,845 --> 00:41:42,270 And so my kind of piece to everybody is, you know, go and find the support you 607 00:41:42,270 --> 00:41:45,569 need to reconnect back into yourself. 608 00:41:45,629 --> 00:41:49,589 I know it might seem like, sure, they talk about the mystic, that sort of, if 609 00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:54,029 you can do nine, nine months of silence, then sure you can do it alone maybe. 610 00:41:54,029 --> 00:41:57,390 But even in those nine nights of, nine months of silence that I was 611 00:41:57,404 --> 00:42:01,350 talking to this mystic this morning, you know, he, when he came out, 612 00:42:01,350 --> 00:42:04,250 he went to the indigenous world. 613 00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:09,440 Like he, he has spent most of his life now living amongst indigenous peoples, which 614 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,450 is all about community and it's all about, you know, those, those relationships 615 00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:17,120 that can sometimes be really frustrating. 616 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,040 'Cause I live in a community. 617 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,509 Trust me, when you're that close to people, it can be hard. 618 00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:25,170 But it's so rewarding to help us understand. 619 00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:29,320 So find support, you know, find a community. 620 00:42:29,350 --> 00:42:34,170 You know, don't be afraid to say, I need help with this, or, I need to be held. 621 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:38,730 Maybe I just need to be held while I explore this and allow 622 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:40,440 somebody else to come and hold you. 623 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,420 Whether that's, you know, a partner, or a friend, or, uh, 624 00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:47,190 somebody who is a professional who can hold you in that space. 625 00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:50,279 But just, you don't have to go at it alone. 626 00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:53,580 I like what you've said. 627 00:42:53,939 --> 00:42:59,640 It's been a very interesting conversation and it, it is remarkable 628 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,310 how you just let the conversation go. 629 00:43:02,819 --> 00:43:06,839 Could you let people know how to reach out to you, get ahold 630 00:43:06,839 --> 00:43:09,120 of you and find your work? 631 00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:13,379 Yeah, luckily I'm pretty easy 'cause everything is based off my name. 632 00:43:13,379 --> 00:43:18,899 So, uh, my website is tigrillagardenia.com and my Facebook, 633 00:43:18,899 --> 00:43:23,980 my LinkedIn, my Instagram, my YouTube, it's all @tigrillagardenia. 634 00:43:24,419 --> 00:43:26,580 And then, so those are the easiest ways. 635 00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:30,720 And if you're looking for me, you can find from there how to like, you know, 636 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,710 book on a call and we can talk, or you can join the Naturally Conscious Community, 637 00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:40,715 which is my online, like online community for deep human plant interactions. 638 00:43:42,125 --> 00:43:45,515 It's been a joy discussing these things with you today. 639 00:43:45,875 --> 00:43:47,765 Thank you for sharing with us, Tigrilla. 640 00:43:48,275 --> 00:43:51,215 Thank you so much, this has been absolutely wonderful. 641 00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:56,730 Thank you for joining us today. 642 00:43:57,390 --> 00:44:03,600 If you found this podcast enlightening, entertaining, educational in any way, 643 00:44:04,379 --> 00:44:10,800 please share, like, subscribe, and join us right back here next week for another 644 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,190 great episode of the Dead America Podcast. 645 00:44:14,490 --> 00:44:20,010 I'm Ed Watters, your host, enjoy your afternoon wherever you might be.