1 00:00:05,675 --> 00:00:08,565 Ed Watters: To overcome, you must educate. 2 00:00:09,945 --> 00:00:15,944 Educate not only yourself, but educate anyone seeking to learn. 3 00:00:17,314 --> 00:00:21,415 We are all Dead America, we can all learn something. 4 00:00:22,525 --> 00:00:26,724 To learn, we must challenge what we already understand. 5 00:00:27,790 --> 00:00:31,220 The way we do that is through conversation. 6 00:00:32,619 --> 00:00:39,739 Sometimes we have conversations with others, however, some of the best 7 00:00:39,910 --> 00:00:42,870 conversations happen with ourselves. 8 00:00:44,129 --> 00:00:51,480 Reach out and challenge yourself; let's dive in and learn something new right now. 9 00:00:55,830 --> 00:01:00,620 Today I am super excited because we have a national icon 10 00:01:00,620 --> 00:01:03,210 with us today, Matthew Lesko. 11 00:01:04,030 --> 00:01:08,664 He really needs no introduction at all, but Matthew, would 12 00:01:08,664 --> 00:01:10,225 you please introduce yourself? 13 00:01:10,225 --> 00:01:13,074 Let people know just a little more about you, please. 14 00:01:16,025 --> 00:01:19,455 Matthew Lesko: Well, I've been doing this work for fifty years. 15 00:01:19,455 --> 00:01:23,155 I'm eighty-one years old and, uh, for fifty years I've been trying to train 16 00:01:23,205 --> 00:01:27,634 people how to take advantage of government benefits that nobody knows we have. 17 00:01:27,705 --> 00:01:31,915 I mean, you know, if you can't, you'll never find government benefits in Google. 18 00:01:31,945 --> 00:01:37,065 You know, that's the problem because you'll find 500, 000 million websites 19 00:01:37,065 --> 00:01:39,120 that people want to get your money. 20 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,820 See, and that's why you, if you don't have money, you just 21 00:01:41,820 --> 00:01:43,419 have to stay away from Google. 22 00:01:43,729 --> 00:01:47,719 So I'm trying to show you how to take advantage of actually the forty 23 00:01:47,739 --> 00:01:52,780 percent of our country that gives away money, forty percent of our 24 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:57,549 country gives away money and programs to help people have a better life. 25 00:01:57,949 --> 00:02:02,760 Sixty percent of the money, of our country charges money to help 26 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,249 you, forty percent no charge. 27 00:02:06,270 --> 00:02:08,470 Don't have to have a credit card, nothing. 28 00:02:08,810 --> 00:02:11,320 And you get help from us, anything you want. 29 00:02:11,970 --> 00:02:14,139 And that they don't advertise and people don't know what 30 00:02:14,139 --> 00:02:16,049 to do and so that's my job. 31 00:02:16,049 --> 00:02:20,789 I got about ten, fifteen years left, I hope to keep educating people about that. 32 00:02:21,569 --> 00:02:25,449 Ed Watters: I sure hope so, because we need people like you in the world. 33 00:02:25,559 --> 00:02:27,609 You educate so well. 34 00:02:28,709 --> 00:02:35,405 Let's start from the beginning Matthew, you, you got started in 35 00:02:35,415 --> 00:02:38,495 helping people somewhere, somehow. 36 00:02:38,815 --> 00:02:43,144 Could you let people understand how you got started in helping people 37 00:02:43,575 --> 00:02:46,594 discover grants and free money? 38 00:02:47,604 --> 00:02:47,824 Matthew Lesko: Yeah. 39 00:02:47,824 --> 00:02:49,344 I, uh, yeah. 40 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:54,119 When I was about eight, twelve years old, I remember pushing my younger brother down 41 00:02:54,119 --> 00:02:59,399 the stairs, and I remember that picking him up was more, that's a bad joke. 42 00:02:59,435 --> 00:03:01,170 I , I didn't know how to end that. 43 00:03:03,790 --> 00:03:04,989 No, I, I don't know. 44 00:03:04,989 --> 00:03:08,690 There's something in me, uh, uh, you know, you have to learn 45 00:03:08,690 --> 00:03:10,190 how to feed yourself first. 46 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:18,310 And, uh, and I just, things weren't working and I found that, then I forget. 47 00:03:18,489 --> 00:03:22,359 I just got rid of everything in my head because everything I tried 48 00:03:22,359 --> 00:03:24,290 wasn't working, I wasn't having fun. 49 00:03:24,579 --> 00:03:26,859 I wasn't, wasn't working out. 50 00:03:27,170 --> 00:03:31,420 Uh, I was failing at everything after I got an MBA and all this kind of stuff. 51 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:38,020 And then I said, Boy, now this sounds stupid because why am I 52 00:03:38,225 --> 00:03:42,615 being miserable to maybe have fun in thirty years for a few days. 53 00:03:43,955 --> 00:03:47,594 Be miserable your whole life to eventually have fun. 54 00:03:48,065 --> 00:03:52,284 And I figured, because I was thinking, Because I'm taking advice from outside. 55 00:03:52,945 --> 00:03:54,744 You know, we don't know what we're doing in life. 56 00:03:54,745 --> 00:03:55,795 Everybody's guessing. 57 00:03:56,275 --> 00:03:59,335 Nobody knows what the rules are, they change every day anyway. 58 00:04:00,465 --> 00:04:04,484 And so you try stuff that other people say is, this is perfect for you to do. 59 00:04:04,935 --> 00:04:06,224 And I always keep on failing. 60 00:04:06,225 --> 00:04:09,369 So I said, Well, fine, these people aren't so smart after all. 61 00:04:09,369 --> 00:04:11,799 Why do they, how can they get away with charging so much money? 62 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,329 See, they make you believe they're so smart when they're really not. 63 00:04:16,579 --> 00:04:18,029 So that's the way they charge a lot. 64 00:04:18,260 --> 00:04:22,259 So I said, I gotta listen to me more, you know, and then outside. 65 00:04:22,719 --> 00:04:26,550 And, and that's when it started working and having fun. 66 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,055 I said, Because if I'm having fun and I'm, making decisions based 67 00:04:32,055 --> 00:04:33,695 more in my heart than in my head, 68 00:04:33,885 --> 00:04:37,485 I didn't think in those terms at the time, but I had other 69 00:04:37,485 --> 00:04:39,035 terms for them I didn't know yet. 70 00:04:39,455 --> 00:04:43,474 And, uh, at least I was having fun, so I didn't have to work 71 00:04:43,624 --> 00:04:47,914 ten, fifteen, thirty years to have fun doing something miserable. 72 00:04:48,155 --> 00:04:49,074 I'm having fun now. 73 00:04:49,085 --> 00:04:50,305 Maybe I'll fail, but what the hell. 74 00:04:50,719 --> 00:04:52,430 I was failing, not having fun. 75 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:57,190 So it's a better system to fail while you're having fun. 76 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,300 And so I get another job for six months, I hate it and try something again. 77 00:05:04,750 --> 00:05:07,199 But then this time it was from the heart, you know? 78 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:09,030 What is right for you? 79 00:05:09,050 --> 00:05:09,980 We're all different. 80 00:05:09,989 --> 00:05:15,820 We're all, you know, organic like the earth, or the flowers, or whatever, and 81 00:05:15,820 --> 00:05:17,909 we're built to be something, you know? 82 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,300 And that's, I think, our whole mission is. 83 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:23,779 Because when you find that, then you don't work anymore. 84 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:27,639 You're doing something that you love doing. 85 00:05:27,810 --> 00:05:31,620 It's like if you love playing tennis, and very few are good enough to make money 86 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:33,219 out of it, and the rest of us dream of it. 87 00:05:33,695 --> 00:05:38,015 So you have to find out what your skill is, that you could figure 88 00:05:38,015 --> 00:05:40,405 out a way to make income out of it. 89 00:05:40,795 --> 00:05:42,995 So you get both pleasures. 90 00:05:43,015 --> 00:05:43,774 And I'm so fortunate, 91 00:05:43,875 --> 00:05:48,274 I got eighty-one, I have no idea, I have no intention of retiring ever. 92 00:05:48,675 --> 00:05:51,445 I get more fun and more satisfaction out of doing this. 93 00:05:51,935 --> 00:05:55,905 And the older I get, the more I see the real thing in life is helping others. 94 00:05:56,534 --> 00:06:04,595 Uh, that's the satisfaction, uh, the secret about, uh, people don't 95 00:06:04,635 --> 00:06:06,935 realize how selfish giving is. 96 00:06:08,515 --> 00:06:12,678 It's probably the most selfish thing you do in life, because it feels so good. 97 00:06:12,678 --> 00:06:15,221 But we all think we shouldn't be that way. 98 00:06:15,221 --> 00:06:20,255 We have to be protective, and not, not be selfish. 99 00:06:20,665 --> 00:06:23,635 I don't know, I can't, I never figured out what's in my head, 100 00:06:23,645 --> 00:06:25,085 let alone somebody else's. 101 00:06:25,695 --> 00:06:29,445 Uh, so that's why all I felt, it felt better the more I gave. 102 00:06:29,844 --> 00:06:31,835 And you have to take care of yourself first, so there's 103 00:06:31,844 --> 00:06:33,194 always limits to everything. 104 00:06:33,754 --> 00:06:37,640 But even now, and that's why, what, I mean, I can't wait to 105 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,500 get up every morning and do this better, yeah, and help more people. 106 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:45,759 I mean, I don't feel I'm responsible for any of, these are coming programs, 107 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:49,590 they're, not like I invented, you know, a cure for cancer or something. 108 00:06:49,849 --> 00:06:51,200 I just found this phone number. 109 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,610 And that said, so it's not even from me. 110 00:06:56,020 --> 00:07:02,140 And, but the joy I receive from, somebody writes, uh, Boy, Lesko, I 111 00:07:02,140 --> 00:07:06,760 just did this and I got this and, you know, uh, I was going nowhere. 112 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,930 And then I got this, I had no idea you could use it for that. 113 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,230 They teach me. 114 00:07:12,620 --> 00:07:14,700 I don't know where, I was just reading that note earlier. 115 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,155 Uh, so the fact that I could give somebody a phone number that could change their 116 00:07:19,155 --> 00:07:22,025 life, give them six months of rent or something like that, or starting a 117 00:07:22,025 --> 00:07:26,285 business, um, or solving a health problem. 118 00:07:26,315 --> 00:07:30,665 People don't know, uh, getting a copay made, uh, that they thought 119 00:07:30,665 --> 00:07:34,314 they had to pay, but you don't have to pay, or having a big hospital 120 00:07:34,345 --> 00:07:36,935 bill that will bankrupt you, but you don't have to pay that either. 121 00:07:37,365 --> 00:07:41,234 So it's, it's, uh, so I'm trying to train people. 122 00:07:41,234 --> 00:07:46,655 And the help is not where people think it is, I think that's the biggest problem. 123 00:07:47,325 --> 00:07:52,485 We don't educate people about using these programs, we educate 124 00:07:52,485 --> 00:07:53,724 people about spending money. 125 00:07:54,075 --> 00:07:55,625 So that's what everybody knows how to do. 126 00:07:56,055 --> 00:08:01,685 Everybody knows how to go to Google and say, I need help with my rent, okay? 127 00:08:02,335 --> 00:08:08,525 And this is Google, this is our economy here, uh, whole economy in 2023. 128 00:08:09,065 --> 00:08:12,714 And this is capitalism, the orange part, or yellow, whatever it is. 129 00:08:13,364 --> 00:08:14,284 That's capitalism. 130 00:08:14,284 --> 00:08:17,234 It's sixty percent of everything in our economy so they're 131 00:08:17,244 --> 00:08:18,304 charging for everything. 132 00:08:18,315 --> 00:08:20,594 They're there to help you as long as you have a credit card. 133 00:08:21,555 --> 00:08:26,135 But this part is our, well, community society. 134 00:08:26,135 --> 00:08:29,554 This is where communities help each other, people help each other. 135 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:34,645 It's sort of like if your neighbor's house was on fire and you went over 136 00:08:34,645 --> 00:08:37,395 there, Yeah, I'd like to help you, but do you have a good credit card? 137 00:08:37,455 --> 00:08:37,935 No. 138 00:08:40,835 --> 00:08:42,585 They prefer a credit card to helping them. 139 00:08:42,965 --> 00:08:46,375 So that's what we are, we have this community that helps each other. 140 00:08:47,015 --> 00:08:51,545 And that's really made up of non profit organizations and government offices. 141 00:08:52,094 --> 00:08:55,434 And they're the ones that give out an average of like 18,000 142 00:08:55,454 --> 00:08:58,085 dollars every year to every adult. 143 00:08:58,594 --> 00:09:00,115 And nobody knows. 144 00:09:02,245 --> 00:09:04,265 And I'm trying to teach people how to do that. 145 00:09:05,084 --> 00:09:07,945 Because you just, the basic thing is what not to do. 146 00:09:07,955 --> 00:09:09,055 You don't go to Google. 147 00:09:09,485 --> 00:09:12,655 Nobody on Google is, I mean, they're in there, the government, 148 00:09:12,665 --> 00:09:14,995 non profit, they don't advertise, so you'll never find them. 149 00:09:15,455 --> 00:09:19,005 Because like everybody else, Google wants to make advertising money. 150 00:09:19,165 --> 00:09:22,414 So, the non profits and government don't advertise. 151 00:09:22,904 --> 00:09:26,414 So it's hard to get noticed in Google, so you have to stay out of there. 152 00:09:26,894 --> 00:09:30,645 And one of the basic things is to only go to websites that are 153 00:09:30,645 --> 00:09:35,329 dot O R G or dot G O V, okay? 154 00:09:35,660 --> 00:09:39,189 And that's, anybody else is going to get money from you one way or 155 00:09:39,189 --> 00:09:44,099 another, and they're too slick to out think them because they think about 156 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:46,960 ways to get money from you 24/7. 157 00:09:47,410 --> 00:09:50,789 And now with the Internet, it's so much more powerful to test. 158 00:09:51,260 --> 00:09:52,299 It's all about testing. 159 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:56,439 They could, when I was doing direct marketing years ago before the Internet, 160 00:09:56,710 --> 00:09:58,230 you had to do like direct mail. 161 00:09:58,580 --> 00:10:03,195 And you put mail in the mail, you know, see if anybody buys and 162 00:10:03,195 --> 00:10:06,205 that takes maybe months to figure out if it was worth it or not. 163 00:10:06,375 --> 00:10:12,325 Now you can do 15,000 trials in three seconds to find out what, 164 00:10:12,404 --> 00:10:15,615 what to say so that you get money. 165 00:10:16,164 --> 00:10:20,045 Uh, so that's why they have, we don't stand a chance, you know, with these. 166 00:10:20,765 --> 00:10:25,204 So you have to use these, uh, services that do it for free. 167 00:10:25,635 --> 00:10:27,225 Uh, I don't know. 168 00:10:27,225 --> 00:10:30,314 Do you know Find Help at all? 169 00:10:30,925 --> 00:10:36,185 Ed Watters: Yes, I was actually looking at that and it is fascinating. 170 00:10:36,715 --> 00:10:47,405 Says there's 1,949 programs in my area and that is fascinating. 171 00:10:47,594 --> 00:10:48,015 Yes. 172 00:10:48,015 --> 00:10:49,444 I'm in the middle of nowhere. 173 00:10:52,275 --> 00:10:53,725 Matthew Lesko: All three of you could use those. 174 00:10:54,565 --> 00:10:55,725 And that's what frustrates me. 175 00:10:55,725 --> 00:11:01,844 And then the other thing we have to start teaching people is don't rely, don't try 176 00:11:01,844 --> 00:11:03,944 to find an application on the internet. 177 00:11:04,485 --> 00:11:07,675 Uh, because you don't know what to apply for and you can't even 178 00:11:07,675 --> 00:11:11,565 understand what they mean or what, you know, it just too much. 179 00:11:11,925 --> 00:11:17,004 You know, like talking to doctors, you know, they all have their own language and 180 00:11:17,005 --> 00:11:18,165 you're not sure what the hell they mean. 181 00:11:18,524 --> 00:11:20,824 You have to use people, you have to get on the phone. 182 00:11:21,450 --> 00:11:25,370 That's the real way that you find information in America that you can 183 00:11:25,370 --> 00:11:27,420 understand and use and take advantage of. 184 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:32,760 So if you like put in rent and you go and you find, probably for you, where you 185 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,639 live, maybe twenty, thirty organizations, uh, that help you with rent. 186 00:11:38,250 --> 00:11:42,335 And the way to use that is to start calling every one of them. 187 00:11:42,365 --> 00:11:43,925 If there's only twenty, what the hell? 188 00:11:44,285 --> 00:11:47,455 Uh, somebody's going to give you 5,000 dollars to pay your rent, you 189 00:11:47,455 --> 00:11:48,805 can spend a couple days doing this. 190 00:11:49,855 --> 00:11:51,734 Where else are you going to get free money like that? 191 00:11:52,375 --> 00:11:56,415 And you talk to people, see, they're all in the business of helping 192 00:11:56,415 --> 00:11:58,155 people like you with that problem. 193 00:11:58,794 --> 00:12:03,155 You know, so if they can't help you, they're the most likely people 194 00:12:03,155 --> 00:12:05,715 in the world to know who can. 195 00:12:06,255 --> 00:12:09,955 It's sort of like, well, you know, living in rural America, well, I mean, I can read 196 00:12:09,955 --> 00:12:11,885 a book on it or I can call you, you know? 197 00:12:13,345 --> 00:12:15,895 Because you read all the books in about twenty years or whatever. 198 00:12:16,255 --> 00:12:20,615 And so that's what you want to do because there's just too much of a fire 199 00:12:20,615 --> 00:12:23,454 hose of information on the Internet. 200 00:12:23,514 --> 00:12:26,125 And you have to rely on people more nowadays. 201 00:12:26,555 --> 00:12:30,915 They're who've gone, and the thing is, all these nonprofits and government 202 00:12:30,925 --> 00:12:33,935 offices are public servants. 203 00:12:33,994 --> 00:12:35,435 They have to answer your call. 204 00:12:35,545 --> 00:12:39,275 They may not, but the theory is, but it's not like you're calling 205 00:12:39,275 --> 00:12:43,374 a business and, you know, a lawyer and, Oh yeah, I'll help you. 206 00:12:43,405 --> 00:12:44,834 You know, 300 bucks an hour. 207 00:12:44,895 --> 00:12:47,645 No, these people are all free no matter what you do. 208 00:12:48,655 --> 00:12:50,934 And actually legal help is available for you. 209 00:12:51,354 --> 00:12:55,300 Why hire an attorney for anything, uh, when you can get better help 210 00:12:55,310 --> 00:12:57,520 for free from government offices? 211 00:12:57,550 --> 00:13:00,379 Like right now your credit card screws you over or whatever, your 212 00:13:00,390 --> 00:13:02,129 bank, any financial institution, 213 00:13:02,499 --> 00:13:07,900 you file a complaint with the consumerfinance.gov, they'll investigate. 214 00:13:07,940 --> 00:13:10,624 Even though you're wrong, they'll investigate. 215 00:13:10,925 --> 00:13:14,504 And see, these big organizations, they don't care about your lawyer. 216 00:13:14,754 --> 00:13:16,854 Their lawyers are bigger than yours, you know? 217 00:13:17,104 --> 00:13:19,545 And your lawyer's, you know, got you on the clock for 200 218 00:13:19,545 --> 00:13:20,574 bucks an hour or whatever. 219 00:13:21,025 --> 00:13:25,724 And the worst they could lose in fighting your lawyer is having to pay you, right? 220 00:13:26,355 --> 00:13:30,225 But if you get the government involved, if they screw up with the government, 221 00:13:30,255 --> 00:13:31,695 they can lose all their business. 222 00:13:31,755 --> 00:13:36,175 Because they have, they get a license from the government to be in business. 223 00:13:36,475 --> 00:13:37,905 You don't have that power. 224 00:13:38,274 --> 00:13:40,425 You know, you just have power to sue them. 225 00:13:41,254 --> 00:13:45,125 So it's easier now for them to just cave in. 226 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:48,755 Because, and also these big companies that you're fighting, it costs them too 227 00:13:48,755 --> 00:13:52,244 much money to talk to the government because that's another bureaucracy, right? 228 00:13:53,155 --> 00:13:55,955 So they're going to spend 5,000 dollars just talking to each other. 229 00:13:56,655 --> 00:13:59,794 And you want a thousand bucks, it's cheaper to just give you a thousand 230 00:13:59,794 --> 00:14:04,395 dollars and get on with their lives, you know, instead of doing. 231 00:14:04,395 --> 00:14:07,225 So that's why we're not trained to use this. 232 00:14:07,445 --> 00:14:09,105 All we're trained is to spend money. 233 00:14:09,105 --> 00:14:12,785 That's fine if you have money, capitalism brought a lot of people out of poverty. 234 00:14:13,345 --> 00:14:16,835 But it seems to be putting more people in poverty now, the truth. 235 00:14:17,805 --> 00:14:18,235 Yeah. 236 00:14:20,305 --> 00:14:21,925 Uh, and I never said it that way. 237 00:14:21,925 --> 00:14:24,774 It just came out of my mouth because I've been looking at data, 238 00:14:24,775 --> 00:14:28,854 poverty data recently, and this is for the developed countries. 239 00:14:29,395 --> 00:14:34,125 So this is, you know, uh, like we have thirty developed countries in the world. 240 00:14:34,135 --> 00:14:38,255 So nobody from Africa is in here, uh, the poor countries, 241 00:14:38,535 --> 00:14:40,724 but we're number one in poverty. 242 00:14:41,554 --> 00:14:42,024 Isn't that amazing? 243 00:14:43,045 --> 00:14:43,935 I know, isn't it? 244 00:14:44,045 --> 00:14:48,185 We're the highest poverty rate in all of developed worlds. 245 00:14:49,145 --> 00:14:51,374 How could we be the richest country in the world? 246 00:14:53,184 --> 00:14:56,505 Why do we even dare brag we're the richest country in the world? 247 00:14:57,035 --> 00:14:58,685 Well, that's going away now too, but 248 00:15:01,135 --> 00:15:02,735 it is, it's a pity. 249 00:15:02,805 --> 00:15:06,454 I mean, we make more millionaires than anybody and that's true, but 250 00:15:06,464 --> 00:15:10,815 I don't know if that's a, if that's worth saying when you're also making 251 00:15:10,835 --> 00:15:12,285 more poor people than anybody. 252 00:15:12,805 --> 00:15:14,385 Uh, here's the sheet. 253 00:15:14,765 --> 00:15:20,194 Yeah, we make twenty-four million, uh, millionaires in our country. 254 00:15:20,755 --> 00:15:24,155 Uh, we're number one for millionaires and for poor people. 255 00:15:24,204 --> 00:15:25,444 Number one, baby. 256 00:15:30,485 --> 00:15:30,945 Yeah. 257 00:15:31,505 --> 00:15:37,995 It's, people have to do something, you know, and I think people are 258 00:15:38,035 --> 00:15:39,565 beat up so much in this country. 259 00:15:39,995 --> 00:15:44,585 Um, and now it's, we're going through a tough time, you know, 260 00:15:44,585 --> 00:15:45,964 politically and everything. 261 00:15:45,965 --> 00:15:49,034 That people are upset and trying to get through all this and in the 262 00:15:49,034 --> 00:15:50,690 world, our rank is getting small. 263 00:15:50,690 --> 00:15:54,735 I mean, in ten years, we're probably not going to be the 264 00:15:54,735 --> 00:15:56,465 biggest guy on the block anymore. 265 00:15:57,464 --> 00:15:59,755 And we got to get used to that, so that's hard to swallow. 266 00:16:01,375 --> 00:16:06,944 Ed Watters: Well, it's interesting because you often say, Don't stop at no. 267 00:16:07,335 --> 00:16:14,155 And my grandmother told me, The squeaky wheel gets the oil. 268 00:16:15,064 --> 00:16:19,959 So that's the principle behind what you're saying there basically, is it not? 269 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:22,300 Matthew Lesko: It is, and I think it's all in life. 270 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:26,070 And that's why I used to worry about question marks. 271 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,979 That's why my suits used to be question marks, now they're hearts. 272 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:33,459 Because I had the question marks before, because I think that if 273 00:16:33,470 --> 00:16:37,140 you have to ask the right question to get a good answer, you know? 274 00:16:37,689 --> 00:16:41,479 So getting the right information that you need to make a decision 275 00:16:41,789 --> 00:16:43,699 means asking the right question. 276 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:48,439 But now I believe that even if you have the right answer, it's still not, 277 00:16:48,439 --> 00:16:50,339 you're still not going to make it happen 278 00:16:50,765 --> 00:16:52,395 if your heart's not in it. 279 00:16:53,205 --> 00:16:57,585 Say, because there's going to be problems, everything you do in life is going to 280 00:16:57,725 --> 00:17:02,095 have roadblocks, bumps, problems, or whatever and fifteen reasons to stop. 281 00:17:02,685 --> 00:17:06,794 So you have, your heart has to be in it so you don't stop. 282 00:17:07,375 --> 00:17:08,785 And that's the way you get through that. 283 00:17:08,794 --> 00:17:12,020 It's sort of, you know, I remember, my boys are in their forties now, 284 00:17:12,020 --> 00:17:17,350 they're older than me, they were trying to walk and they'd pick themselves 285 00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:20,720 up at the coffee table and take a little step and fall on their ass. 286 00:17:21,090 --> 00:17:24,779 So you have to fall on your ass a lot of times to walk. 287 00:17:24,779 --> 00:17:27,629 So when you want to do something new in life, same thing. 288 00:17:27,910 --> 00:17:31,790 You're not just gonna get up out of the chair and make, make a home run. 289 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,740 No, you gotta fall on your butt. 290 00:17:34,180 --> 00:17:38,999 And that's why I think we're, uh, Internet and professionals get in the 291 00:17:38,999 --> 00:17:43,879 way because they make you believe, or try to make you believe, that it's easy. 292 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:46,669 And follow these three steps and you'll be a millionaire. 293 00:17:47,209 --> 00:17:48,829 One, two, three, that's all it is. 294 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:50,919 Why aren't you doing it? 295 00:17:51,355 --> 00:17:56,085 When it doesn't happen in three days, you get mad at yourself and don't believe 296 00:17:56,085 --> 00:17:58,045 anybody and just start digging a hole. 297 00:17:58,495 --> 00:18:02,805 And, uh, we can't do that if we want to do anything. 298 00:18:03,185 --> 00:18:07,714 And anything for, you don't have to, I believe this wholeheartedly, you don't 299 00:18:07,715 --> 00:18:10,800 have to know what exactly you should do. 300 00:18:11,370 --> 00:18:14,930 The only thing you have to know exactly what is right is where 301 00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:18,060 you are now is not right , that's the only thing you have to know. 302 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,990 And everybody, sorry, it's so tempting to wait for the right opportunity before 303 00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:28,790 you do something different and you don't know what that right opportunity is. 304 00:18:28,790 --> 00:18:33,690 I think we build it piece by piece, and the only way you do that is 305 00:18:33,690 --> 00:18:36,270 taking a step away from where you are. 306 00:18:36,860 --> 00:18:38,845 Anything is better, anything. 307 00:18:38,915 --> 00:18:40,695 Something is always better than nothing. 308 00:18:41,065 --> 00:18:44,295 And we, we get trapped in, Oh, I'm going to wait for the perfect one 309 00:18:44,675 --> 00:18:47,375 before I, that's not going to happen. 310 00:18:47,375 --> 00:18:51,495 And you're going to be here twenty years later waiting for the perfect one to come. 311 00:18:52,025 --> 00:18:55,725 So you have to really just take a step out and try anything. 312 00:18:56,255 --> 00:18:57,915 Doesn't matter what you're trying as long as it's not. 313 00:18:58,665 --> 00:18:58,915 Ed Watters: Yeah. 314 00:18:58,915 --> 00:19:03,135 Really, what I'm hearing there, Matthew, is a big step is believing 315 00:19:03,135 --> 00:19:07,254 in yourself and baby step that out. 316 00:19:07,325 --> 00:19:13,325 As you grow, you become better at believing in yourself. 317 00:19:13,675 --> 00:19:19,085 Getting started is hard to do sometimes and that's where what 318 00:19:19,085 --> 00:19:21,865 you're doing helps people get started. 319 00:19:22,564 --> 00:19:26,614 Could you tell people about, uh, Lesko Help? 320 00:19:28,115 --> 00:19:30,285 Matthew Lesko: Yes, that's a community we have now. 321 00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:33,155 I just started it about two years ago and I thought it'd just be a subscription 322 00:19:33,155 --> 00:19:35,055 to help pay my rent or whatever. 323 00:19:35,375 --> 00:19:38,595 And it just grew, took on legs by itself. 324 00:19:38,595 --> 00:19:39,745 That's not an example. 325 00:19:39,754 --> 00:19:43,925 It's growing into something I never, I, knew would happened because I thought 326 00:19:44,115 --> 00:19:47,855 it would have to be me answering all the questions and how much can I really do? 327 00:19:47,855 --> 00:19:52,474 So it won't be big, but we have 12,000 people now. 328 00:19:52,774 --> 00:19:56,944 And mainly because people are helping people, so it's not me. 329 00:19:57,375 --> 00:20:02,245 And they help people better because the people who just learned about 330 00:20:02,245 --> 00:20:05,104 something and applied for it and got it, they're so excited. 331 00:20:05,374 --> 00:20:07,284 You know, me, I've been doing this for fifty years. 332 00:20:07,284 --> 00:20:12,304 And when you have a basic problem I solved a thousand times, it's 333 00:20:12,304 --> 00:20:13,644 hard for me to get excited. 334 00:20:13,975 --> 00:20:17,194 But somebody who just got it and found, hey, yeah, this stuff works. 335 00:20:17,744 --> 00:20:18,554 Here's what I did. 336 00:20:18,684 --> 00:20:21,610 You know, it's just a better match. 337 00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:26,020 And the people are so important, they are members, they're paying 338 00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:31,219 to do this, uh, because they feel like I do, the joy of giving. 339 00:20:31,719 --> 00:20:37,669 So they have knowledge of something and they feel, um, uh, just a 340 00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:40,089 wonderful gift of giving to somebody. 341 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,200 And it grows their heart. 342 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,690 I mean, my favorite subject now is, I'm growing my heart. 343 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,620 I'm not, at eighty-one, I'm not going to get smarter, faster, 344 00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:54,489 stronger, any of those things we work on as guys in America. 345 00:20:54,579 --> 00:20:59,039 And none of that is ever going to get better and globally decrease. 346 00:20:59,355 --> 00:21:04,225 But I could love better and that's the one thing I could keep 347 00:21:04,235 --> 00:21:07,925 growing forever is loving people. 348 00:21:07,945 --> 00:21:14,314 And wow, I mean, I couldn't even say the word a couple years ago, unless I married. 349 00:21:18,995 --> 00:21:19,374 Ed Watters: Yeah. 350 00:21:19,754 --> 00:21:23,134 Well, that's a huge step, learning how to love. 351 00:21:23,635 --> 00:21:30,134 Because in our world, we have so much chaos, and misunderstanding, 352 00:21:30,194 --> 00:21:32,094 and miscommunication. 353 00:21:32,904 --> 00:21:36,294 We really are hurting for love in the world. 354 00:21:36,294 --> 00:21:43,965 And I love the concept of people helping people, it's one of my original taglines. 355 00:21:44,415 --> 00:21:46,435 I believe in it 100%. 356 00:21:46,735 --> 00:21:50,995 Yes, I used that several years ago. 357 00:21:51,315 --> 00:21:58,045 And I believe it still today that if we believe in ourself, and we start 358 00:21:58,065 --> 00:22:02,335 sharing ourself, others emulate that. 359 00:22:02,635 --> 00:22:08,384 And that will grow, and, and we need so much more of that in our world. 360 00:22:10,825 --> 00:22:11,725 Matthew Lesko: Oh, definitely. 361 00:22:11,765 --> 00:22:14,844 Uh, I mean, well, and it's selfish, you know what I mean? 362 00:22:14,845 --> 00:22:17,554 It's, I don't look like I'm helping the world. 363 00:22:18,505 --> 00:22:22,605 I guess I see the reaction of people, but, but it's, my real 364 00:22:22,605 --> 00:22:24,675 motivation is me, how it helps me. 365 00:22:24,985 --> 00:22:28,525 It helps me walking around with an open heart. 366 00:22:28,535 --> 00:22:32,265 I'm not even sure what that means, but I certainly feel something about that. 367 00:22:32,265 --> 00:22:35,734 And the more it gets closed, the worse the day seems. 368 00:22:36,075 --> 00:22:40,045 Uh, and the more I open the heart, the better the day seems. 369 00:22:40,045 --> 00:22:43,865 And I, I don't even know what open and closed heart is, I know 370 00:22:43,865 --> 00:22:46,435 I'm an asshole when it's closed. 371 00:22:49,605 --> 00:22:51,475 Ed Watters: We, we, we can all be there. 372 00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:57,675 And, and you know, I started my journey frustrated, angry, mad. 373 00:22:58,185 --> 00:23:03,764 I had to develop that sense of love and compassion, empathy, and 374 00:23:04,145 --> 00:23:09,125 that, that's really how I started to grow out of my own misery. 375 00:23:09,485 --> 00:23:15,295 And I understood I'm not in this alone and I really need 376 00:23:15,305 --> 00:23:17,935 help to get where I need to go. 377 00:23:18,345 --> 00:23:23,155 And I think really, people need to understand you can't do it all alone. 378 00:23:23,784 --> 00:23:29,825 Even though I want to, I want to do everything myself, the hardest 379 00:23:29,855 --> 00:23:34,965 part is reaching out, developing the connection, and asking for help. 380 00:23:35,635 --> 00:23:42,665 So, I think this is truly the gift that you're giving back to the world right now 381 00:23:42,694 --> 00:23:46,395 is the ability to step into a community. 382 00:23:46,674 --> 00:23:52,814 And they care because they're doing the same thing as you and I. 383 00:23:56,174 --> 00:23:59,594 Matthew Lesko: Oh, the other thing I'm doing too, I never thought I'd do, uh, 384 00:23:59,675 --> 00:24:02,015 is I didn't know I'd be profitable. 385 00:24:02,125 --> 00:24:05,955 Because I just wanted to make a, you know, uh, pay for my way., 386 00:24:06,305 --> 00:24:09,685 And it all become profitable and only at ten to twenty dollars. 387 00:24:10,595 --> 00:24:13,125 People were saying when I did something like this for financial 388 00:24:13,135 --> 00:24:15,945 services, whatever, it had to be hundreds and thousands. 389 00:24:15,945 --> 00:24:17,784 But people that could afford that, 390 00:24:17,784 --> 00:24:18,664 I didn't want to help. 391 00:24:18,665 --> 00:24:22,814 I want to help people who can't afford that. 392 00:24:22,824 --> 00:24:24,684 And so I wanted to charge only twenty dollars. 393 00:24:25,215 --> 00:24:29,785 And just about a year ago or so we started being profitable. 394 00:24:30,085 --> 00:24:34,735 And now we give out $70,000 every month to members. 395 00:24:35,235 --> 00:24:41,375 And so our profits, we give it back to people in either $500, a thousand dollars 396 00:24:41,555 --> 00:24:44,435 in four different, uh, grants every month. 397 00:24:44,885 --> 00:24:48,514 And God, I mean, I, I thought you had to be Jeff Bezos to do 398 00:24:48,514 --> 00:24:49,865 something like that or whatever. 399 00:24:50,225 --> 00:24:53,465 But a schmuck like me from Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania is able 400 00:24:53,465 --> 00:24:56,825 to do this is, uh, remarkable. 401 00:24:56,855 --> 00:24:59,590 I mean, that, that, that's amazing. 402 00:24:59,870 --> 00:25:01,270 Yeah, to me anyway. 403 00:25:02,509 --> 00:25:03,719 I mean, in this world. 404 00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:09,310 Ed Watters: And that, that's that selfishness that you're talking about. 405 00:25:10,110 --> 00:25:10,190 Matthew Lesko: Yeah. 406 00:25:10,469 --> 00:25:12,080 That feels good, really. 407 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,299 And, because I think that's the best way to try to change people or 408 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,060 whatever, or the only way we really have, or maybe because I'm not, 409 00:25:23,659 --> 00:25:28,739 I'm too dumb to think of any other way, uh, is by example, you know? 410 00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:34,149 If you, if you don't live that, um, uh, you have to create 411 00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:36,010 the world you want to be in. 412 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,219 So you have to create your own world that way. 413 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:45,230 If you're expecting other people that do that, you know, uh, and that's, yeah. 414 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:45,920 No, it's fun. 415 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:51,430 I, my favorite saying now is if I knew eighty-one would be this much 416 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,329 fun, I would have got here sooner. 417 00:25:53,970 --> 00:25:55,389 Why did I wait so long? 418 00:25:59,869 --> 00:26:00,279 Ed Watters: Yeah. 419 00:26:00,890 --> 00:26:05,649 And that's why it's good to connect with you because you get all of 420 00:26:05,649 --> 00:26:08,429 that knowledge in a loving fashion. 421 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:14,290 And I think it's really key to existence anymore. 422 00:26:14,909 --> 00:26:24,090 And I do have one more question I really want to kind of dive into with you. 423 00:26:24,430 --> 00:26:31,220 We have a new administration coming in and a lot of people are very skittish about 424 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:37,560 grants and the money coming in, especially with the speculation of the DOGE, you 425 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,280 know, Department of Government Efficiency. 426 00:26:41,459 --> 00:26:43,929 What are your thoughts on this? 427 00:26:43,949 --> 00:26:50,590 And do you, after all of your years in service like this, do you think 428 00:26:50,649 --> 00:26:53,050 that that is actually going away? 429 00:26:53,399 --> 00:26:58,019 Matthew Lesko: Uh, I'm not sure what will go away, if anything. 430 00:26:58,805 --> 00:27:01,735 I would just ignore it, just ignore it. 431 00:27:02,945 --> 00:27:04,585 It's all wind, you know? 432 00:27:04,615 --> 00:27:09,165 It's, everybody's, I mean, it may happen a little, you know? 433 00:27:09,824 --> 00:27:15,864 We got a big ocean liner here, you know, and, uh, the president has very little 434 00:27:15,864 --> 00:27:17,425 control over the whole fucking thing. 435 00:27:18,225 --> 00:27:21,774 He has a little bit control but there are other people involved in doing it. 436 00:27:23,389 --> 00:27:25,860 And I've been watching it for fifty years, every president. 437 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,270 The amount of money given out in grants and stuff grows every 438 00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:31,350 year, no matter who's in power. 439 00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:34,490 Next year, and it's already baked in the system. 440 00:27:35,349 --> 00:27:40,199 I mean, every year, uh, where is it? 441 00:27:40,879 --> 00:27:42,004 Oh, here it is. 442 00:27:42,245 --> 00:27:47,135 Here's, here's what's happening for already 2025. 443 00:27:47,465 --> 00:27:50,115 The budget is out, it's spending already. 444 00:27:50,475 --> 00:27:57,024 Now we went from a total of, now this is grants for individuals, from 4. 445 00:27:57,025 --> 00:27:58,744 4 trillion to 4. 446 00:27:58,784 --> 00:27:59,575 8 trillion. 447 00:28:00,215 --> 00:28:01,315 It's going up. 448 00:28:01,315 --> 00:28:06,804 And as soon as he, you know, takes control on the 20th of January, he's 449 00:28:06,804 --> 00:28:11,715 going to give out more money in 2025 than anybody, any president ever before. 450 00:28:13,544 --> 00:28:16,935 Now again, he'll nibble around the edges, which could be important. 451 00:28:16,945 --> 00:28:21,543 Because if you change an ocean liner just one or two degrees off course, 452 00:28:21,543 --> 00:28:25,320 you know, they miss the whole continent they're looking for, you know? 453 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:25,634 2030. 454 00:28:28,965 --> 00:28:30,635 So that, that's, that. 455 00:28:31,255 --> 00:28:36,845 And so much of politics and marketing and, uh, I forget what they say. 456 00:28:36,855 --> 00:28:41,535 It's mostly local, stick to things like, uh, you know, your Find Help 457 00:28:42,265 --> 00:28:44,845 and talk to those people, they know. 458 00:28:44,845 --> 00:28:47,574 Don't believe the Internet or anybody else, talk to the 459 00:28:47,574 --> 00:28:49,054 people giving out the money. 460 00:28:50,514 --> 00:28:51,504 And that's not Trump. 461 00:28:51,565 --> 00:28:52,264 He doesn't write, 462 00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:53,485 well, he writes some checks. 463 00:28:53,805 --> 00:28:54,204 I don't know. 464 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,240 But it's mostly local, you want to talk to your local organizations. 465 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,980 You want to start a business, a non profit, or you have an 466 00:29:01,980 --> 00:29:08,140 invention, um, you have something called, uh, AmericasSBDC.org. 467 00:29:08,164 --> 00:29:14,650 Americas, A M E R I C A S, then SBDC.org. 468 00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:18,010 And they will sit down with you no matter what county you're in, 469 00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:19,930 even out wherever the heck you are. 470 00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:27,460 And show you the money programs, help you think through any idea, give 471 00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:31,670 you free legal help, marketing help, you know, publicity, anything you 472 00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:34,600 need to grow yourself or a business. 473 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,520 And that's who you want to talk to, you want to talk to people like that. 474 00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:44,120 Or you need help with, um, debt and things like that, you go and look for financial 475 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,340 counseling in, in, uh, findhelp.org. 476 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,280 And there'll be a dozen even in where you are. 477 00:29:51,495 --> 00:29:55,925 Uh, uh, that you make appointments and talk to these people and, 478 00:29:55,925 --> 00:29:57,115 to get out of that trouble. 479 00:29:57,115 --> 00:30:01,195 Because we carry around that worry, you know, particularly about debt 480 00:30:01,195 --> 00:30:05,565 and stuff that I think makes, makes people, people physically ill. 481 00:30:06,624 --> 00:30:09,665 It's just what it does to the inside somehow. 482 00:30:10,104 --> 00:30:13,585 Uh, and you're waking up at night or it doesn't go away. 483 00:30:13,905 --> 00:30:16,705 The only way it's going to go away is if you start talking to experts 484 00:30:16,995 --> 00:30:18,305 that will help you for free. 485 00:30:18,315 --> 00:30:21,425 Not people on Google because they want to get money from 486 00:30:21,425 --> 00:30:22,575 you and you don't have money. 487 00:30:22,575 --> 00:30:26,825 So you're just going to get more pissed that life isn't helping you. 488 00:30:27,225 --> 00:30:28,485 Life is here to help you. 489 00:30:28,485 --> 00:30:33,624 And actually, you know, the chart I showed you, forty percent of the life that you 490 00:30:33,624 --> 00:30:36,445 live in is here just to help you, 40%. 491 00:30:36,445 --> 00:30:38,445 Who the fuck would ever think of that? 492 00:30:38,535 --> 00:30:41,755 Yeah, I didn't until I started looking at the numbers. 493 00:30:41,885 --> 00:30:45,125 Man, their, their job is to help you. 494 00:30:45,595 --> 00:30:47,945 Not only your family, we live in a bigger family. 495 00:30:48,435 --> 00:30:52,005 And because, like what we're saying about ourselves, Why do they help you? 496 00:30:52,055 --> 00:30:53,445 Because it feels so good. 497 00:30:53,465 --> 00:30:55,505 They're selfish bastards just like we are. 498 00:31:00,055 --> 00:31:01,135 Ed Watters: I love that. 499 00:31:01,415 --> 00:31:06,634 Uh, you know, it's, it's a good talk that we've had today and I'm sure it's 500 00:31:06,644 --> 00:31:09,835 going to reach and help a lot of people. 501 00:31:10,775 --> 00:31:14,565 Is there anything else that you feel that we should add to our 502 00:31:14,565 --> 00:31:17,205 conversation today before we let you go? 503 00:31:18,655 --> 00:31:20,885 Matthew Lesko: Uh, no, I'm very happy. 504 00:31:20,885 --> 00:31:22,365 I hope to be here. 505 00:31:23,245 --> 00:31:25,525 I just can't wait to get up in the morning and do this again. 506 00:31:26,024 --> 00:31:32,735 And I feel very, you know, God, just unusually special for some reason. 507 00:31:32,735 --> 00:31:36,435 I've never thought of myself as being special at all, I still don't. 508 00:31:36,495 --> 00:31:42,625 I'm just so grateful that I can do something every day that I enjoy 509 00:31:42,665 --> 00:31:44,255 doing, and it may help people. 510 00:31:44,255 --> 00:31:46,335 I think there is nothing better. 511 00:31:46,675 --> 00:31:49,604 They give me a billion dollars, what the fuck am I gonna do with that? 512 00:31:49,604 --> 00:31:50,685 Burn it for fuel? 513 00:31:50,685 --> 00:31:51,234 I don't know. 514 00:31:51,235 --> 00:31:54,615 It's what you do with your life, you know? 515 00:31:54,924 --> 00:31:59,595 And then that's the important thing, you have something to give to the rest of us. 516 00:32:00,065 --> 00:32:04,325 And our mission is trying to find out what is that best part of us 517 00:32:04,335 --> 00:32:08,774 that we can give the most so we enjoy doing it and helping others. 518 00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:09,970 Ed Watters: That's right. 519 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:14,740 Matthew, what's the best way for people to get in touch and get a 520 00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:16,850 hold of this material that you have? 521 00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:19,000 Matthew Lesko: Uh, leskohelp.com. 522 00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:22,040 L E S K O H E L P dot com. 523 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,280 Or YouTube. 524 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,570 I got thousands and thousands of videos on Matthew Lesko on YouTube. 525 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,080 Ed Watters: Great. 526 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:33,720 Matthew, I want to say thank you for sharing today with us. 527 00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:35,030 It's been a delight. 528 00:32:35,270 --> 00:32:41,860 I've, I've wanted to know all about this for so many years and I got a 529 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:49,385 personal opportunity to share a little time with a national icon, you rock. 530 00:32:49,505 --> 00:32:53,555 And I want to say thank you for everything that you do, sir. 531 00:32:54,025 --> 00:32:54,625 Matthew Lesko: Well, thank you. 532 00:32:54,675 --> 00:32:57,355 Get on the phone in the morning, start calling. 533 00:32:58,755 --> 00:33:02,065 All right, Ed, thank you so much. 534 00:33:07,445 --> 00:33:09,165 Ed Watters: Thank you for joining us today. 535 00:33:09,775 --> 00:33:16,025 If you found this podcast enlightening, entertaining, educational in any way, 536 00:33:16,815 --> 00:33:23,175 please share, like, subscribe, and join us right back here next week for another 537 00:33:23,184 --> 00:33:26,495 great episode of the Dead America Podcast. 538 00:33:26,875 --> 00:33:32,405 I'm Ed Watters, your host, enjoy your afternoon wherever you might be.